Zombie THE 2012 BIDEN/RYAN DEBATE - THE BATTLE OF CHAPLIN HILLS II

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  1. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    Ugh- I do not like Ryan!

    To me, Biden clearly won the debate. But that was to be expected given Biden is a seasoned debater. All Ryan had to do to score points tonight was to connect with American voters the way Romney did.

    I don't think the VP debate will influence more than a very small percentage of voters. So kind of a no harm no foul debate. But ugh on Ryan.
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    I believe that shit is for real!
     
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    As usual, you read like a sheep. Maybe look at my posts supporting Obama or blasting the GOP..... no, wait, .... you can't do that as you have a position you MUST support. Sorry, sheep, go back to your pen.

    The problem with you sheep is that anyone who isn't 1,000% for you, you believe is against you. Independent thinking is not allowed. Only complete and total lock stepping with the party line. Stompie, now you know (well, if you have the mental and emotional capacity to understand this) why I am not a sheep. I refuse to allow myself to be told what to think or believe by anyone or anything. I call them as I see them and not how I'm told to. If I like the dem, I vote for them. If I like the gop candidate, I vote for them. I mean, I understand why people like you and others here can't get that concept- your posts make it painfully clear. The fact of the matter is I feel sorry for people like you who place themselves in a narrow thinking box with no way out. I just can't do that. My world doesn't, and never will, revolve around what I am told to believe- even when I know it's wrong. I'm long since free of that crap. I see the hate in sheep's posts and I never want to go there. Never.
     
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  4. MickZagger

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    When the biggest talking point after the debate for Republican's is how much Biden was smiling, I think its obvious who won the debate on substance.
     
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    To think that Democrats are just out for government help is silly. This freeloader (D) vs. entrepeneurship (R) rhetoric is such a divisive and silly tactic.

    The majority of true freeloaders who want government assistance aren't political. They don't vote.

    Unions are the backbone of the middle class. There's a reason why Unions are always in the back pocket of the Democratic party.
     
  6. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I actually agree with this assessment for the most part.

    It raises a question in my mind, though.

    Let's assume republicans actually want to shrink govt. or keep it the same size and democrats want to grow it. Doesn't "compromise" imply they have to grow govt. more than republicans want but less than democrats want?

    Similarly, if a president represents all of the people and half the people, say, favor abortion and half oppose it, then wouldn't "compromise" imply legal abortion (to satisfy one half the people) with serious restrictions (to satisfy the other)? I thought W was in a tough spot on stem cells for this exact same reason and did come up with a compromise - one that seemed pretty good since nobody was really happy with it.

    As for wars, until the two Bush presidencies, Republicans ended wars started by Democrats going all the way back to the days of Lincoln (not including Abe). It is a joke they call themselves Conservatives.

    To be fair, though, Romney and Ryan aren't Bush and Cheney. They're trying to sound more like Reagan than like Newt (liberal bashers) or the lesser "conservatives" that followed him (neo-cons then social conservatives).
     
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    The problem I have with your post isn't justbecause it's wrong. That's evident by your political affiliation. In the first sentence you make a point that when the right makes a generic statement that isn't really true (but does have a definitive element of truth in it), it's wrong for the right to use it. Then in your last sentence you do the exact same thing from the left and it's OK. In other words, the right is not permited to use generalities, but the left can.
     
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    A view from the right (Breitbart).

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/11/Biden-Loses-It

    The debate itself was secondary to the demeanor of Biden. Biden had nothing to run on, so he decided to distract. And those pearly whites were a bizarre distraction from what could have been a substantive debate.

    Biden interrupted Ryan repeatedly. He would not allow Ryan to finish an answer; where he stopped interrupting for even a few moments, his moderator ally, Martha Raddatz, jumped in to help him cut Ryan short.

    This was the big problem for Biden going in: the American people didn’t like him. His favorables were far lower than Ryan’s. This debate did him no favors. And if the vice presidential debate was any indicator of the new, aggressive strategy of the Obama/Biden ticket, it will be off-putting to Americans in a dramatic way. It appears blustery and unlikeable – and most of all, dramatically angry and unserious.

    Biden did it because Obama was somnambulant during the first debate. So Biden came out swinging. And more than anything else, he came out like an enormous bully, determined not to let Ryan get in a word edgewise.
     
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    Surfing the net, no surprise that this VP debate fell hard along partisan lines as each side is declaring a big victory. Funny that as both sides declare victory, most of the analysis from both sides is on Biden.

    I don't think the VP debate will have any effect on the election . . . I do feel this next debate has the potential of having a big effect on the election. That is if people haven't already decided based on the first debate and feel like they don't need to watch another debate. Obama better hope not.
     
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    So true. A VP debate is almost meaningless.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    That is, unless Sarah Palin is involved. Wow, talk about a gold mine for SNL......Tina Fey in particular!!
     
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    I was talking about a bump in the rating polictically, silly.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I think it's my responsibility as a citizen.
     
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    I knew last night this would be the biggest gaffe of last night's debate. Romney needs to corner Obama on this lie during the next debate.

    Now, this is how the Associated Press criticized Biden’s answer from its fact check from last night:

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cbs...ity-answer-could-mean-big-trouble-for-obama/#
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    STOMP, you hit the nail on the head as to why many of us who post on here from a right-of-center perspective don't consider ourselves Republicans. The rank and file Republicans in Washington are just as in favor of big government as the average Democrat. A pox on both their houses I say. The sooner they can be washed away by people who actually understand living within our means the better. Regardless of how it's been reported in the press, it's what the Tea Party is all about. Limited government, adhering to the Constitution and living within our means. All the other stuff reported is just fringe blather.

    P.S. Repped.
     
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    It was also odd how Biden said they had bad intel RE: the video/Libya, yet later on accepted intel on Iran's nukes as 100% accurate. :dunno:
     
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    [video=youtube;PCtemaHgjyA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCtemaHgjyA[/video]
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Question: Did last night's debate enforce or diminish the idea that Paul Ryan was up to the job of being President if something happened to Mitt Romney? After all, other than being the political attack dog, that's the primary job of the Vice President. Regardless of political persuasion, I was comfortable of the idea of a President Walter Mondale, President George H.W. Bush, President Al Gore, President Dick Cheney or President Joe Biden. I was immensely uncomfortable with the idea of a President Dan Quayle.
     
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    Another clear lie from Biden regarding his votes on the Iraq and Afghan wars.

     

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