Re: Where do you rank Michael Redd with the NBA's top SG's? Yes he is. Equal scorers, but J Rich is more athletic, better rebounder, better passer. Redd is better at shooting..And I would pt Rip Hamilton above Redd too. He is probably a better shooter than Redd if you count long two's, he shoots 50%, and he is a good defender, unlike Redd.
Re: Where do you rank Michael Redd with the NBA's top SG's? Rip Hamilton isnt better than Redd either. Shooting wise: Redd >>> Rip.And again you said Rip can play D..? Why? He's been in a system with Chauncey Billups, whos defense is vastly underrated, and he rarely let's PG's penetrate into the lane. Plus he HAD Ben Wallace, who is probably the best shot blocker in the league. Rasheed Wallace who is tall, long and athletic and has a decent shot blocking ability. I dont know how many time guards would drive right by Rip, but when they got into the lane they couldn't score because of the Pistons interior defense. His defense is OVERRATED.
Re: Where do you rank Michael Redd with the NBA's top SG's? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Lefty @ Aug 7 2006, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jason Richardson is NOT an overall better player than Michael Redd.</div>Please give us reasons, not just a blanket statment.As CB4 mentioned Richardson is a better rebounder, passer, defender. Redd has a better outside shot, but Richardson is a better overall scorer since he takes it to the basketball on a more consistent basis.Redd does one thing better and that is it. . . As I mentioned, I hated Richardson as a player when he signed his extension. But he has worked hard to get an outstanding overall game. One of the biggest reasons GS never makes the playoffs is coaching. Mike Montgomery should not be an NBA coach. The team has way too much talent to suffer like they do and you have to look at coaching as a main reason.Look at the coaches he's hadavid Cowens/Brian WintersEric MusslemanMike MontgomeryNot great. . .
Re: Where do you rank Michael Redd with the NBA's top SG's? Michael Redd took 160 more free-throws than Richardson did last season and Richardson shoots under 70% from the line.
Re: Where do you rank Michael Redd with the NBA's top SG's? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Lefty @ Aug 7 2006, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Rip Hamilton isnt better than Redd either. Shooting wise: Redd >>> Rip.And again you said Rip can play D..? Why? He's been in a system with Chauncey Billups, whos defense is vastly underrated, and he rarely let's PG's penetrate into the lane. Plus he HAD Ben Wallace, who is probably the best shot blocker in the league. Rasheed Wallace who is tall, long and athletic and has a decent shot blocking ability. I dont know how many time guards would drive right by Rip, but when they got into the lane they couldn't score because of the Pistons interior defense. His defense is OVERRATED.</div>If you mean in terms of jump shooting, I would say Rip is the best shooter in the League. He shot the best 3 pt percentage in the League last year anyway, and if he didnt play on a balanced offense like the Pistons then he would be averaging 24+ just like Redd. I guarentee that. He is the quicker player, and better driver. And YES, he is the better defender, by far. What do the other Pistons defenders have to do with HIS OWN man to man defense? Rip is still a very good man to man defender, and he gets overshadowed by the other Pistons players in that department. Redd is a liability on defense, and Rip is now a good defender. There ya go.
Re: Where do you rank Michael Redd with the NBA's top SG's? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Aug 7 2006, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you mean in terms of jump shooting, I would say Rip is the best shooter in the League. He shot the best 3 pt percentage in the League last year anyway, and if he didnt play on a balanced offense like the Pistons then he would be averaging 24+ just like Redd. I guarentee that. He is the quicker player, and better driver. And YES, he is the better defender, by far. What do the other Pistons defenders have to do with HIS OWN man to man defense? Rip is still a very good man to man defender, and he gets overshadowed by the other Pistons players in that department. Redd is a liability on defense, and Rip is now a good defender. There ya go.</div> Rip Hamilton is an okay defender but he never guards a teams best player..etc...and he shot a high percentage from three but only made 55 threes all year...and he only shoots them when he has a good shot.
Re: Where do you rank Michael Redd with the NBA's top SG's? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Aug 7 2006, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you mean in terms of jump shooting, I would say Rip is the best shooter in the League. He shot the best 3 pt percentage in the League last year anyway, and if he didnt play on a balanced offense like the Pistons then he would be averaging 24+ just like Redd. I guarentee that. He is the quicker player, and better driver. And YES, he is the better defender, by far. What do the other Pistons defenders have to do with HIS OWN man to man defense? Rip is still a very good man to man defender, and he gets overshadowed by the other Pistons players in that department. Redd is a liability on defense, and Rip is now a good defender. There ya go.</div>Quicker player and better driver?? You rarely see Rip drive to the basket, and when he does it's off one of those pics in the PAINT that he gets from Rasheed or someone else. And like you said the Pistons have a balanced offense, it's hard to focus on one guy. Redd is the Bucks #1 scoring option, and after that there's not much there. Opposing defenses can target in on Redd, but he still puts up good numbers.
Re: Where do you rank Michael Redd with the NBA's top SG's? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Aug 7 2006, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Rip Hamilton is an okay defender but he never guards a teams best player..etc...and he shot a high percentage from three but only made 55 threes all year...and he only shoots them when he has a good shot.</div>Yeah, but I meant he was the overall better shooter. I wasnt talking just 3's. I just used that stat to show that he can sink 3 pointers as well.And if you have never seen Rip drive, then you have probably never watched the Pistons play. He is a very quick guard too, so I dont know what youre talking about, The Lefty.
Re: Where do you rank Michael Redd with the NBA's top SG's? That's a retarded comment.. I've watched the Pistons play alot, I think you're the one who has been watching too many Bosh highlights..Michael Redd is a better overall player than Rip Hamilton.One question I have for you, if you put Rip on another team you think he would get 20+ a game? I don't. The way the Pistons run their offense overrates Rip.
Re: Where do you rank Michael Redd with the NBA's top SG's? But he's not a better shooter. Other than last year his FG percentages have been around Redd's, Redd's 3FG% is higher than they are both mid-80's FT shooters...Not to mention Redd has to face regular double teams and his three's are always contested.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Lefty @ Aug 7 2006, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's a retarded comment.. I've watched the Pistons play alot, I think you're the one who has been watching too many Bosh highlights..Michael Redd is a better overall player than Rip Hamilton.One question I have for you, if you put Rip on another team you think he would get 20+ a game? I don't. The way the Pistons run their offense overrates Rip.</div> He averaged 20ppg when he was on the Wizards, he can easily put up 20ppg on any team where he gets enough shots.
Re: Where do you rank Michael Redd with the NBA's top SG's? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Lefty @ Aug 7 2006, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's a retarded comment.. I've watched the Pistons play alot, I think you're the one who has been watching too many Bosh highlights..Michael Redd is a better overall player than Rip Hamilton.One question I have for you, if you put Rip on another team you think he would get 20+ a game? I don't. The way the Pistons run their offense overrates Rip.</div>What are you talking about? I definately think he would be able to. He averages 20 ppg on 49% shooting. If he became a clear #1 option on any other team he would average atleast 24+ ppg.And, you say he is better, but you dont explain why. We are talking about this year, BCB. Rip shoots one of the highest percentages for a guard, and he shoots a higher 3pt percentage then Redd. I dont care about free throw shooting, Im talking about jump shots. Rip is probably the best pure jumpshooter in the League.
Re: Where do you rank Michael Redd with the NBA's top SG's? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Aug 7 2006, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What are you talking about? I definately think he would be able to. He averages 20 ppg on 49% shooting. If he became a clear #1 option on any other team he would average atleast 24+ ppg.And, you say he is better, but you dont explain why. We are talking about this year, BCB. Rip shoots one of the highest percentages for a guard, and he shoots a higher 3pt percentage then Redd. I dont care about free throw shooting, Im talking about jump shots. Rip is probably the best pure jumpshooter in the League.</div> On most teams he would average 20ppg on 44% shooting or so...Being on the Pistons makes his percentages balloon because he has so much help and open shots.
Re: Where do you rank Michael Redd with the NBA's top SG's? But if he played on another team, he would take more shots, and score more than 20 ppg.
Re: Where do you rank Michael Redd with the NBA's top SG's? If your going to say that bcb then why don't you balloon Reggie miller's stats because he's a lifetime run-around screen player.
Re: Where do you rank Michael Redd with the NBA's top SG's? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Aug 7 2006, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Michael Redd took 160 more free-throws than Richardson did last season and Richardson shoots under 70% from the line.</div>Yes Redd is a better shooter, as we have all acknowledged. As for the attempts. Not super surprising considering the Bucks had to rely on Redd more for scoring then GS had to do with Richardson. But that doesn't make Redd better. Just different offensive schemes with different supporting casts.Also if you look at their careers, FT attempts are pretty damn close (4.5 vs. 4.1).
Re: Where do you rank Michael Redd with the NBA's top SG's? Ray Allen and Redd are both similar players to me. Manu isn't even close to Redd. Either is Rip. Redd is a dead-eye shooter with a lighting release who can create his own shot. Obviously, the Wade's and Bryant's are better but Redd is a top 10 guy in my opinion. He is way better then J-Rich.
Re: Where do you rank Michael Redd with the NBA's top SG's? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cselby @ Aug 7 2006, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ray Allen and Redd are both similar players to me. Manu isn't even close to Redd. Either is Rip. Redd is a dead-eye shooter with a lighting release who can create his own shot. Obviously, the Wade's and Bryant's are better but Redd is a top 10 guy in my opinion. He is way better then J-Rich.</div>If your gonna say he's way better than these players you should atleast explain why.
Re: Where do you rank Michael Redd with the NBA's top SG's? manu is clutch, if he played for a sh*t team like the bucks he would average the same as redd yet manus a better defender and more athletic... and hes white hahalook at rips playoff averages, he scored over 20points in like 70% of the games hes played, redd an maglorie made the allstars ina dry season, never again. when your playing backcourt with tjford and simmons of course your gunna get alot of shots, hes not even a star hes a good player *note* ginobli aint a star either but hes still better. rips in a differnt league
Re: Where do you rank Michael Redd with the NBA's top SG's? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wade23 @ Aug 8 2006, 12:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>manu is clutch, if he played for a sh*t team like the bucks he would average the same as redd yet manus a better defender and more athletic... and hes white hahalook at rips playoff averages, he scored over 20points in like 70% of the games hes played, redd an maglorie made the allstars ina dry season, never again. when your playing backcourt with tjford and simmons of course your gunna get alot of shots, hes not even a star hes a good player *note* ginobli aint a star either but hes still better. rips in a differnt league</div> What a bunch of nonsense. I would buy this argument if Redd were shooting Quentin Richardson percentages from the field/three. He's the only real offensive threat and is center of attention everytime he's on offense. He shoots 45% from the field, not bad and 40% from three, pretty good. He put up good numbers with Ray Allen, but to give Redd crap for being the only real good offensive player is lame. Do you discredit Paul Pierce because he's the only threat on his team? Manu Ginobili is an overrated defender and plays out of control a lot of the time and makes stupid mistakes. I like him but he's not in Redd's class.
