religous people cause wars!!! but so does oil!!! people roit about soccer matches. It's not religion its people!!!
yup religion is the cause of a lot of the wars in historyever heard of the crusades?honestly neither of us can prove sh*t..but its logicok put aside all the "prove it" arguments...do you really think it's possible that any of the stories in the Bible happened?Be honest with yourself..and i understand it's about faith but the people who started christianity were the same ones who hanged people who didn't believe in their ways and thats what makes me sick...because even though they dont hang people anymore they threaten you by saying you're going to go to hell if you don't believe in what they have to say
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Aug 7 2006, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yup religion is the cause of a lot of the wars in historyever heard of the crusades?honestly neither of us can prove sh*t..but its logicok put aside all the "prove it" arguments...do you really think it's possible that any of the stories in the Bible happened?Be honest with yourself..and i understand it's about faithbut the people who started christianity were the same ones who hanged people who didn't believe in their ways and thats what makes me sick...because even though they dont hang people anymore they threaten you by saying you're going to go to hell if you don't believe in what they have to say</div>Don't blame all the Christians for that just the explorers from Spain.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Aug 7 2006, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>honestly neither of us can prove sh*t..but its logicok put aside all the "prove it" arguments...do you really think it's possible that any of the stories in the Bible happened?</div>I think so. If one believes a god can create the world, then why can he not do things that are far less amazing, like what you listed?
the big bang actually helps the argument for god, take the causation argument, everything is caused by something until there is one cause... god, what caused the big bang ? silly questionstake this argument. god couldnt have talked to adam and eve. if you dont believe in evolution, human beings started with adam and eve. language is evolutionary, you cannot argue against that. so adam and eve being the first human beings were not in the possession of a propositional language i.e they would have grunted and pointed but couldnt ask complex questions like "dont eat that apple". so when god came down to the garden to talk sh*t with adam and eve they wouldnt have been able to communicate, god is almighty but adam and eve arent they couldnt understand anything God would have said so God couldnt have told them anything, there was no communication. adam and eve wouldnt have been able to tell people the story of their meeting with god either as they wouldnt of had the vocab to 'spread the word'. so the attributes ascribed to god came after adam and eve and the whole story itself is made up.God came after humans, so he is not inside of us, he is no more than idea.. herd of hypochondriacs ? welcome to religion
You guys that are saying religion is bs realize that they are finding things that are said to be true in the bible right? Do you think that's all a coincedince? BTW playaofthegame you seem to think religion takes a lot more time out of your life than it really does. I'm in church and all I have to do is go to church which usually lasts about an hour ever Sunday and go to Youth Group meetings ever Staurday night for an hour. I don't have to take much time out of my life for it at all. And no religion isn't bs. Being a Christian myself it's nice everyone time your scared about something or nervous about something to have someone to pray to. Praying can really honestly make you feel better and get you through things. Also I hate it when people always say what has God done for you. If God did everything for you there would be no point in living. IMHO I feel the reason we are here in life is to be givin obstacles in life an to overcome them. I also believe that every obstacle in life that I am givin God is there to help me through it and watch over me. Just because he doesn't do everything for you doesn't mean he's not there. Also another thing religion is good for you is it gives you guidelines in life to make you a better person. Think about it. If there was no religion in the world and religious people didn't have guidelines to follow the world might be in more khaos that we will ever see it. Without religion there would be nothing in the world to encourage people to be a better person.
^^ they didnt prove anything was true and they damn sure didnt prove walking on the water was true because the whole story contradicts itselfthey said he "walked on ice" but how would there of been a fishing boat if it was ice? l0lthey have no evidence that anything in the bible is real and they never will because it's stories made up by people centuries ago..sure its got its upsides like trying to get people to do good things but there's also downsides to it similar to nazi propaganda "do what we say or face the concequences" that's what bothers me about religion
What did go do for you? He made you, he made your family he made the people. If there was no god you wouldn't be here.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Aug 7 2006, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>my parents made me not Godthe sperm met the egg</div>Well then how do you expect the first two people were made?
All life came from outer space(in relative to the big bang theory) and was formed from single cells or Amoebas and thereafter developed into various creatures including humans.
OK whoever(i cant remember cuz... i cant :/) said "god gives me faith" it's not god giving you faith, it's you having faith IN god, stupid. Why the hell would god give you faith so you could give it back to him?And why is god helping whores? Why doesn't he straighten civilization up? Why not just "smite"(something which never happens, even when people say he will smite me) paris hilton? why make a civilization that worships people that don't do anything?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Aug 7 2006, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>God gives me faith when I'm down and keeps me going.The whole idea of Christianity is to be a good person and if you do so will go to heavan and live eternally with God.That's what we believe in,I am Catholic and religion is important to me.The bible gives hope and teaches all kinds of lessons in life.I also believe Julius Cesar took some stories out of the bible cuz hes stupid but for the stories in the bible they are inspirational. Just because you don't believe in something don't talk it down like it means nothing. Especially if you don't even fully understand the christian religion.Dont be so ignorant playaofthegame. As for those things you listed as it wasnt god that...blah blah no sh*t god didnt beat GTA or God didnt hit no homeruns or make slam dunks etc.Where do you comeup with this stuff,people always say if there was a god there would be no murder,no stealing,no drunk drivers and things like that. God doesn't control people.God gave something called free-will to people that live in the world,that way he could see the good people from the bad and who goes to heaven and hell. Again,this is what I as a Catholic believe. If believing in a God is so silly,then why do millions of people everywhere believe in him? People need hope,faith and inspiration in their life and they get it from religion.I'm not talking about stupid terrorits that have blow themselves up for their religion they are idiot extremists.I'm talking about true believers that get hope from believing in God.</div>BINGO. only, christianity is not based on good deeds. Once you're in, you're in.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Aug 7 2006, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And why is god helping whores? Why doesn't he straighten civilization up? Why not just "smite"(something which never happens, even when people say he will smite me) paris hilton? why make a civilization that worships people that don't do anything?</div>Like lakaboy said, God gives people free-will.And the bible says that gold and riches will rust and go away, but the eternal treasure is in heaven. Basically, these horrible people are only gaining in wordly treasures, which will eventually wither away. Likely, these people will spend eternity in hell after dying, which more than makes up for the riches they've gained on earth.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Aug 7 2006, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>prove anything in the bible is true (if you're a christian)</div>You want proof? how about that about TWENTY different historical sources have proof that Jesus existed. They've found dinasour fossils that have been known to be killed instantly by a flood (see, Noah's ark). Just open your eyes and you can see all the miracles that happen everyday. Of course there is going to be evil in the world, but that's bc man was born naturally evil, and God gave man free-will.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Aug 7 2006, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>BINGO. only, christianity is not based on good deeds. Once you're in, you're in.Like lakaboy said, God gives people free-will.And the bible says that gold and riches will rust and go away, but the eternal treasure is in heaven. Basically, these horrible people are only gaining in wordly treasures, which will eventually wither away. Likely, these people will spend eternity in hell after dying, which more than makes up for the riches they've gained on earth.You want proof? how about that about TWENTY different historical sources have proof that Jesus existed. They've found dinasour fossils that have been known to be killed instantly by a flood (see, Noah's ark). Just open your eyes and you can see all the miracles that happen everyday. Of course there is going to be evil in the world, but that's bc man was born naturally evil, and God gave man free-will.</div>You mean LakersFan247 :happy0144:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Snake Eyes @ Aug 7 2006, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am sort of in the middle ground on this. Do I believe there is a God? Yes I do. I think there was someone who created the earth and the heavens and whatnot but I too do believe that we don't have to do so many things to get into heaven. I believe as long as your a good person you get in. I can't see someone who is an atheist but donates to charity's, helps others, and is just a good person go to hell just because he didn't believe in God. This also would go for someone who does believe in God but may not have been batpized and they go to Hell eventhough they have lived a great life and never did anything bad? I just that as unfair.</div>Thats an interesting thought. Makes me think quite a bit.
I lost my faith in God when I noticed all the hideous things done to people, by people in the world. If God is almighty, and can do anything, why not just eliminate all that is wrong in the world? Is he testing humanity to see who is worthy of going to heaven? If he's almighty, why can't he just snap his fingers and find out who is worthy, as a matter of fact, why can't he just make everyone good and pure with no sin? Why create evil? If it's to make good seem better, why can't he just make good always seem good? He's almighty, he should be able to do that.BTW- The Old testament portrays God as a pretty scary dude. There were all the instances where he smote people and made them suffer, and he killed off humanity a few times, and at one point he sends a bear to visciously kill a group of boys that was teasing an old man about his baldness.
*deep breath* This is going to be hard. So, what do you think? Did the "Big Bang" do that for you? Actually, that's wrong. Saying "if you're in, you're in" is a crude way to say it, but that's the basic idea. Where does it say you had to work to make your salvation? Seriously, how does your earthly Pope explain it?Moreover, how does he explain this: Ephesians 2:8-98: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9: Not of works, lest any man should boast. How do you prove that Abraham Lincoln lived and died? Did you live in his time period? Did you see him? No, so you rely on historical accounts, just as we do to know that Jesus existed. And, furthermore, how can you prove that the Bible is a book of lies. Say I can't prove anything, it's your burden to prove that the Bible is all lies. So prove it to me. Right here, just prove it to me. For that matter, prove to me that your history books aren't lying either. What if there is, then you just wasted your life, and you'll never get it back. Read the above verse. You don't get in through your good works. Anyway, think of it this way: If a basketball player refuses, to, say, shoot the proper way, despite the warnings of his coaches and fellow players, is it unfair that he doesn't make the team, because after all, he really believe in the way he was doing it. No, it's not. He ignored the advice of others, and did it his way. It's not how much you believe, it's what or who you believe in. That was done by the Catholic church, which was not Christian then, and is not today. The Crusades were not justified in the Bible, you will not find a justification anywhere in the Bible. Where? Show me where? You challenged me to prove the Bible, saying it was a pack of lies. Show me, prove to me, that what you just said isn't a pack of lies. Show where someone says, with evidence to back it up, that Jesus hung people, that Paul (if you even know who he is), hung people. Just show me. As for your second part, about people "threatening" you about hell and all. How is that a threat? How much more of a threat is that, than, say, the used car salesman "threatening" you about how if you don't by the car you'll lose out big time? How it it a threat? Is it on par, with, say, the Muslims' way of persausion? Nazis saying God is on their side is ridiculous, because they were killing the Jews, and those were Gods' people. Jesus himself was a Jew, not an Aryan. I find it strange you talk about God this way, yet say that Hitler is better than Bush, and killing Jews is OK. Wow, that was my longest post ever.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Aug 7 2006, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>my parents made me not Godthe sperm met the egg</div> :no3: Dont be dumb man you know what I mean, God even made your parents. He made the world man he gave you oxygen. Big Bang crap scientist made up who made the scientists God did and now they saying that bullsh**.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Dont be dumb man you know what I mean, God even made your parents. He made the world man he gave you oxygen. Big Bang crap scientist made up who made the scientists God did and now they saying that bullsh**.</div>Thanks for supplying reasons. You're being hypocritical, and you can't even supply any reasons.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You want proof? how about that about TWENTY different historical sources have proof that Jesus existed. They've found dinasour fossils that have been known to be killed instantly by a flood (see, Noah's ark).</div> Huh? Please explain this to me Dogma....How do dinosaurs dying by flash floods have to do with anything?
