<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hang Eleven @ Aug 9 2006, 03:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is who a famous pastor explains the verse (if you care to read it, which you probably won't)So, basically, he's saying that good works are the natural accompaniment of salvation. They do not earn salvation, but it is good works that show you are truly saved.</div>Yeah, I understand that and have for quite a while. You asked for a verse that can be taken to mean that you need works and not just faith, so I gave you one. I'm pretty sure there's another, as well. Good works will be there, regardless.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheHoo @ Sep 30 2006, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Without God, none of you would be around.</div>Who's to say that? Evolution, man. Look at chris kaman and tell me he didn't evolve from an ape.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Who's to say that? Evolution, man.</div>Presuming your serious (which you probably aren't).Evolution is based on a book written by naturalist, not a scientist, a book which presented a hypothesis, not a fact, and was written only in the interests of trying to prove that black were inferior.To say the least, it's a shaky foundation.
Yes, well since then, evidence has been found to strongly support it. The god theory has more bulletholes than 50 cent.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, well since then, evidence has been found to strongly support it. The god theory has more bulletholes than 50 cent.</div>Oh, evidence, you say? Fossils, right? Tons and tons of "missing links" have been found, right? Ya, right.
Who wants Evidence?Seriously, the Qur'an litrally covers almost all aspects of science...<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>ASTRONOMYThe Sun and Moon.Stars and PlanetsOrbitsThe Day and NightThe Solar ApexExpansion of the UniverseConquest of SpaceGEOLOGYWater CycleMountainsBIOLOGYBotanyPhysiologyEMBRYOLOGYFertilizationImplantationEmbryoBIBLE, QUR?AN AND SCIENCECreationAge of the EarthThe FloodThe Pharaoh</div>...a LOT of stuff, and this is a huge reason why I have big time faith in Islam...I'm only going to list a few, but if you want to read the whole thing you're welcome:http://www.sultan.org/articles/QScience.html<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Expansion of the UniverseChapter ath-Thaariyaat of the Qur?an describes to one of the most important discoveries of modern science, the expansion of the Universe.It was believed only years ago that the Universe was becoming smaller; this was proved wrong, the Universe is expanding.?I built the heaven with power and it is I, who am expanding it.? Qur?an,51:47The expansion of the universe was first suggested by the general theory of relativity and is supported by the calculations of astrophysics. The regular movement of the galactic light towards the red section of the spectrum is explained by the distancing of one galaxy from another. Thus, the size of the universe appears to be progressively increasing.Space TravelOne of Man's achievements was space travel; we finally were able to do this and land on the moon; we're even looking to go further than that, too. Space travel is alluded to in the chapter ar-Rahmaan in the Qur?an:?O assembly of Jinns and men, if you can penetrate the regions of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate them! You will not penetrate them except with authority.?Qur?an,55:33(Jinn: Is Arabic for demons - there are good demons and bad ones)"if you can penetrate the regions of the heavens and the earth" - A.K.A. Space.Authority to travel in space can only come from the Creator of the laws which govern movement and space. The whole of this Qur?anic chapter invites humankind to recognize God?s beneficence.</div>This right here is by far my favorite:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>FertilizationLet us now isolate, from all these verses, precise ideas concerning the complexity of the semen and the fact that an infinitely small quantity is required to ensure fertilization. In chapter al-Insaan the Qur?an states:?Verily, I created humankind from a small quantity of mingled fluids.? Qur?an, 76:2The Arabic word nutfah has been translated as "small quantity?. It comes from the verb meaning ?to dribble, to trickle? and is used to describe what remains in the bottom of a bucket which has been emptied. The verse correctly implies that fertilization is performed by only a very small volume of liquid.On the other hand, mingled fluids ( amshaaj ) has been understood by early commentators to refer to the mixture of male and female discharges. Modern authors have corrected this view and note that the sperm is made up of various components.When the Qur?an talks of a fertilizing fluid composed of different components, it also informs us that human progeny will be formed from something extracted from this liquid. This is the meaning of the following verse in chapter as-Sajdah:?Then He made [ man?s ] offspring from the essence of a despised fluid.?Qur?an, 32:8The Arabic word translated by the term ?essence? is sulaalah which means ?something extracted, the best part of a thing?. In whatever way it is translated, it refers to part of a whole. Under normal conditions, only one single cell, spermatozoon, out of over 50 million ejaculated by a man during sexual intercourse will actually penetrate the ovule. ImplantationOnce the egg has been fertilized in the fallopian tube, it descends to lodge itself inside the uterus. This process is called the ?implantation of the egg?. Implantation is a result of the development of villosities, which, like roots in the soil, draw nourishment from the wall of the uterus and make the egg literally cling to the womb. The process of implantation is appropriately described in several verses by the word ?alaq, which is also the title of the chapter in which one of the verses appears:?God fashioned humans from a clinging entity.? Qur?an, 96:2I do not think there is any reasonable translation of the word ?alaq other than to use it in its original sense. It is a mistake to speak of a ?blood clot? here, which is the term Professor Hamidullah uses in his translation. It is a derivative meaning which is not as appropriate in this context. EmbryoThe evolution of the embryo inside the maternal uterus is only briefly described, but the description is accurate, because the simple words referring to it correspond exactly to fundamental stages in its growth. This is what we read in a verse from the chapter al-Mu?minoon:?I fashioned the clinging entity into a chewed lump of flesh and I fashioned the chewed flesh into bones and I clothed the bones with intact flesh.? Qur?an, 23:14The term ?chewed flesh? (mudghah) corresponds exactly to the appearance of the embryo at a certain stage in its development.It is known that the bones develop inside this mass and that they are then covered with muscle. This is the meaning of the term ?intact flesh? (lahm).The embryo passes through a stage where some parts are in proportion and others out of proportion with what is later to become the individual. This is the obvious meaning of a verse in the chapter al-Hajj, which reads as follows:?I fashioned (humans) a clinging entity, then into a lump of flesh in proportion and out of proportion.? Qur?an, 22:5.Next, we have a reference to the appearance of the senses and internal organs in the chapter as-Sajdah:?... and (God) gave you ears, eyes and hearts.? Qur?an, 32:9Nothing here contradicts today?s data and, furthermore, none of the mistaken ideas of the time have crept into the Qur?an. Throughout the Middle Ages there were a variety of beliefs about human development based on myths and speculations which continued for several centuries after the period. The most fundamental stage in the history of embryology came in 1651 with Harvey?s statement that ?all life initially comes from an egg?. At that time, when science had benefited greatly from the invention of the microscope, people were still arguing about the respective roles of the egg and spermatozoon. Buffon, the great naturalist, was one of those in favor of the egg theory.Bonnet, on the other hand, supported the theory of ?the ovaries of Eve?, which stated that Eve, the mother of the human race, was-supposed to have had inside her the seeds of all human beings packed together one inside the other.</div>Now tell me that's not some great evidence...reminder that the Qur'an came out right after the bible - way before any scientists, or any documentation of anything the Qur'an already had this down....that is enough reason to believe in the Qur'an...seriously, it's amazing. God's Word.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Oct 1 2006, 04:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who's to say that? Evolution, man. Look at chris kaman and tell me he didn't evolve from an ape.</div> That made me giggle.
You know what else is funny...You saying God doesn't exist, while you also support the United States more than anyone - and the US is so full of God references...It's contradictory...Money - In God we TrustThe Plege of Allegiance...Pagan symbols on money.
http://www.zeitun-eg.org/stmaridx.htmif anyone says this is a light show im gonna shoot them...read the story, this ACTUALLY happened in 1969...to REAL people outside of egypt...u can also wiki the bad boy too!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitoun
Zeitoun in Arabic means Olives...Olives have always been a religous symbol. now...I don't know what the means...(the whole Mirgin Mary thing), but it's pretty cool I guess.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Oct 1 2006, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You know what else is funny...You saying God doesn't exist, while you also support the United States more than anyone - and the US is so full of God references...It's contradictory...Money - In God we TrustThe Plege of Allegiance...Pagan symbols on money.</div> I don't really care about a few god references.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Oct 1 2006, 04:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who's to say that? Evolution, man. Look at chris kaman and tell me he didn't evolve from an ape.</div>Individuals can't evolve.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Oct 1 2006, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who wants Evidence?Seriously, the Qur'an litrally covers almost all aspects of science......a LOT of stuff, and this is a huge reason why I have big time faith in Islam...I'm only going to list a few, but if you want to read the whole thing you're welcome:http://www.sultan.org/articles/QScience.htmlThis right here is by far my favorite:Now tell me that's not some great evidence...reminder that the Qur'an came out right after the bible - way before any scientists, or any documentation of anything the Qur'an already had this down....that is enough reason to believe in the Qur'an...seriously, it's amazing. God's Word.</div>For all of you God Haters...reply to this...how is this not proof that God exists...I mean...a book written thousands of years ago, before any scientific documentation was ever recorded, you have the Qur'an that describes things in detail that no one in that time could have ever dreamed of getting right...that alone gives my faith validity...Prove me wrong.(Go up and look at it)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Now tell me that's not some great evidence...reminder that the Qur'an came out right after the bible - way before any scientists, or any documentation of anything the Qur'an already had this down....that is enough reason to believe in the Qur'an...seriously, it's amazing. God's Word.</div>Well, that's nice. The Bible says that too.Not to mention, where does the Koran talk about the beginning of the world and its creation?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hang Eleven @ Oct 1 2006, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, that's nice. The Bible says that too.Not to mention, where does the Koran talk about the beginning of the world and its creation?</div>Man, come on, I was fighting for all of us lol.Its the God Believes vs. the Non-BelieversSAME TEAM MAN!and here: Its in the link I provided, but here it is anyway:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>CREATION OF THE UNIVERSEFrom an examination of creation as described in the Qur?an, an extremely important general concept emerges: The Qur?anic narration is quite different from the Biblical narration. This idea contradicts the parallels which are often wrongly drawn by Western authors to emphasize the resemblance between the two texts. To stress only the similarities, while silently ignoring the obvious dissimilarities, is to distort reality. There is, perhaps, a reason for this.When talking about creation, there is a strong tendency in the West to claim that Muhammad copied the general outlines mentioned in the Qur?an from the Bible. Certainly it is possible to compare the six days of creation as described in the Bible, plus an extra day for rest on God?s Sabbath, with this verse from chapter al-A?raaf.?Your Lord is God who created the heavens and the earth in six days.? Qur?an, 7:54However, it must be pointed out that modern commentators stress the interpretation of the Arabic word ayyaam, (one translation of which is ?days?), as meaning ?long periods? or ?ages? rather than periods of twenty-four hours.What appears to be of fundamental importance to me is that, in contrast to the narration contained in the Bible, the Qur?an does not lay down a sequence for creation of the earth and heavens. It refers both to the heavens before the earth and the earth before the heavens, when it talks of creation in general, as in this verse of chapter Taa Haa:?(God) who created the earth and heavens above." Qur?an, 20:4In fact, the notion derived from the Qur?an is one of a parallelism in the celestial and terrestrial evolutions. There are also basic pieces of information concerning the existence of an initial gaseous mass ( dukhaan ) which are unique to the Qur?an. As well as descriptions of the elements which, although at first were fused together ( ratq ), they subsequently became separated (fatq). These ideas are expressed in chapters Fussilat and al-Anbiyaa:?God then rose turning towards the heaven when it was smoke? Qur?an, 41:11?Do the disbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, then I split them apart?? Qur?an, 21:30According to modern science, the separation process resulted in the formation of multiple worlds, a concept which appears dozens of times in the Qur?an. For example, look at the first chapter of the Qur?an, al-Faatihah ?Praise be to God, the Lord of the Worlds.? Qur?an, 1:1 ). These Qur?anic references are a11 in perfect agreement with modern ideas on the existence of primary nebula (galactic dust), followed by the separation of the elements which resulted in the formation of galaxies and then stars from which the planets were born. Reference is also made in the Qur?an to an intermediary creation between the heavens and the earth, as seen in chapter al-Furqaan:?God is the one who created the heavens, the earth and what is between them...? Qur?an, 25:59It would seem that this intermediary creation corresponds to the modern discovery of bridges of matter which are present outside organized astronomical systems.This brief survey of Qur?anic references to creation clearly shows us how modern scientific data and statements in the Qur?an consistently agree on a large number of points. In contrast, the successive phases of creation mentioned in the Biblical text are totally unacceptable. For example, in Genesis 1:9-19 the creation of the earth (on the 3rd day) is placed before that of the heavens (on the 4th day). It is a well known fact that our planet came from its own star, the sun. In such circumstances, how could anyone claim that Muhammad, the supposed author of the Qur?an, drew his inspiration from the Bible. Such a claim would mean that, of his own accord, he corrected the Biblical text to arrive at the correct concept concerning the formation of the Universe. Yet the correct concept was reached by scientists many centuries after his death.</div>I think it's also similar to what Christians believe.
Religion is a bunch of made up sh*t that promotes superstition and limits ones ability to think for himself.It was designed thousands of years ago to keep naive people in line. We today aren't that stupid. Religion is outdated and full of sh*t. And it is taking money. If the US government decided to tax all the churches, we'd payoff our deficit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Oct 1 2006, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok...you just totally ignored my last post.</div>Are you talking to me? If so, I'm sorry, I just jumped to the last page without reading anything. I wasn't trying to reply to anyones post, I was just telling my opinion.
Do we have proof the bible is thousands of years old? How do we know it's not just like 500 years old?
