Bush / Clinton - Election 2016

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  1. MickZagger

    MickZagger Well-Known Member

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    He's not accepting it in the slightest. He's been a sad sack ever since his boy Mitt got washed away in the election.

    BTW, I'm as American as apple pie FWIW.
     
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    I'm not debating his attitude, I'm just saying that what he's been saying for the last couple of days (roughly, "I've accepted things have changed and am moving on") sounds a lot like what you said about his tax rate change ("Accept it and move on"). But you're calling him anti-American. That's all I was bringing up.
     
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    I just think its funny that a party that prides itself in its "patriotism" is having such a problem with Democracy. I thought Bush was a horrible President the first go around, when he got voted in the 2nd term, I didn't take my ball and go home. Its what the people wanted.
     
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    65%? I think you're underestimating what it's going to take to pay for Obama's wish list. And when you count Medicare and SS on top of that, it'll be 85% tax rate on the poorest of the poor.
     
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    We are not a democracy.
     
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    The difference (imo) is that it didn't impact the average Kerry voter. A draft wasn't instituted to supply troops for the surge, your taxes didn't go up to pay for it, Roe v. Wade wasn't overturned, etc. When Bush was voted in again, there was fundamentally nothing different in your life than a philosophy you didn't agree with, and in some people's cases (not saying yours) it was in large part b/c a bunch of old white guys with (R)'s after their name were in power.

    Compare that with the last 4 years. A fundamental decision on health care payment was pushed through by a very shady deal that got a bunch of the House voted out in favor of the Tea Party. Taxes are about to go up substantially on a healthy portion of Americans. Business conditions (in the views of some) have gotten worse, and the election of the President means 4 years more of it. We've gone up to over half the country on unemployment and/or food stamps, while half the country contributes nothing to those programs in terms of federal taxes. The taxes they DO pay (SS/M/M) are 1/7th what are needed to keep funding at the levels they've ballooned to, but no cuts or payroll tax raises are in sight.

    I humbly submit that if taxes had gone up 10% to pay for a war that you were drafted for, that you didn't want to fight in and for a President you didn't vote for, you'd have been much more likely to "take your ball and go home" in 2004. Much like people did in 1968.
     
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    Agreed, but I didn't want to overstate it. What's sad is that so many of these new taxes will be regressive.
     
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    Might make a good avatar for you, maxiep :)
     
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    Repped. You stated exactly the difference between the Bush and Obama era.
     
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    Thanks. I've downloaded it. If things go the way I think, I'll use it.
     
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    This is priceless.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/333116/edge-abyss-mark-steyn

    Tuesday’s results demonstrate that, as a whole, the American electorate is trending very Euro-Canadian. True, you still have butch T-shirts — “Don’t Tread On Me,” “These Colors Don’t Run” . . . In my own state, where the Democrats ran the board on election night, the “Live Free or Die” license plates look very nice when you see them all lined up in the parking lot of the Social Security office.

    ...

    The good news is that reality (to use a quaint expression) doesn’t need to swing a couple of thousand soccer moms in northern Virginia. Reality doesn’t need to crack 270 in the Electoral College. Reality can get 1.3 percent of the popular vote and still trump everything else. In the course of his first term, Obama increased the federal debt by just shy of $6 trillion and in return grew the economy by $905 billion. So, as Lance Roberts at Street Talk Live pointed out, in order to generate every dollar of economic growth the United States had to borrow about five dollars and 60 cents. There’s no one out there on the planet — whether it’s “the rich” or the Chinese — who can afford to carry on bankrolling that rate of return. According to one CBO analysis, U.S.-government spending is sustainable as long as the rest of the world is prepared to sink 19 percent of its GDP into U.S. Treasury debt. We already know the answer to that: In order to avoid the public humiliation of a failed bond auction, the U.S. Treasury sells 70 percent of the debt it issues to the Federal Reserve — which is to say the left hand of the U.S. government is borrowing money from the right hand of the U.S. government. It’s government as a Nigerian e-mail scam, with Ben Bernanke playing the role of the dictator’s widow with $4 trillion under her bed that she’s willing to wire to Timmy Geithner as soon as he sends her his bank-account details.

    If that’s all a bit too technical, here’s the gist: There’s nothing holding the joint up.

    ...
     

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