<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Oct 2 2006, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The atomic bombing of Japan saved millions of American and Japanese soldiers and probably the destruction of most of Japan, keep that in mind.</div>False. It did save lives, but at the same time it took way more than any war between the two would have. The atomic bomb was not the right way to go. Humorous how the US is actively trying to shut down other nation's "programs" whereas the US is the only nation to have actually used them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheHoo @ Oct 2 2006, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>False. It did save lives, but at the same time it took way more than any war between the two would have. The atomic bomb was not the right way to go. Humorous how the US is actively trying to shut down other nation's "programs" whereas the US is the only nation to have actually used them.</div> A ground war in Japan would have killed more people then the atomic bombs did...even including radiation poisoning and the multiple problems afterward. The atom bomb was not the way to go? They bombed Pearl Harbor and killed hundreds of people starting a huge war. They knew we had the bomb and they did it anway, rather them then hundreds of thousands of young American men. You want Iran to have nuclear weapons? A country run by radical islam (but with a pro-American population). Not me. I used to think like you did, who and the F*ck are we to tell other countries what to do? But it's not just us, our allies and non-allies in the UN are fighting against it, countries with nuclear capability and not.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Oct 2 2006, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A ground war in Japan would have killed more people then the atomic bombs did...even including radiation poisoning and the multiple problems afterward. The atom bomb was not the way to go? They bombed Pearl Harbor and killed hundreds of people starting a huge war. They knew we had the bomb and they did it anway, rather them then hundreds of thousands of young American men. You want Iran to have nuclear weapons? A country run by radical islam (but with a pro-American population). Not me. I used to think like you did, who and the F*ck are we to tell other countries what to do? But it's not just us, our allies and non-allies in the UN are fighting against it, countries with nuclear capability and not.</div>The bomb happened after the end of the war---where the axis had already been crushed and destroyed. I really doubt, facing all the nations of the world, Japan would stand a chance. After a few days the war would have been over....if it was even needed. Do you always have to retaliate? The Axis had already lost the war. I'm not against war as a means of enforcing justice and as a last resort, but I do believe that a ground attack would have cut the cassualties, severely.As for Iran, their government is whack....I know that better that most, if not all, of you. I don't see the harm in letting them grow their uranium enrichment, while monitoring them every so often, as speficially agreed upon in the UN convention they singed (forgot the name, my bad). We don't want Iran to have nukes--but we're not even sure they want to build them. Remember Iraq?I really doubt the majority of the world wants us having them either...it goes both ways. Especially since we are the only nation to have used it, they have more reasons not to trust us than we do to not trust them.
Reguarding WWII, look. The fire bombing or Tokyo killed twice as many people as both the nukes combined. Where's the outcry about that? To me, the real reason why people think of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were so terrible is because both are tied to the name "Nuclear" That is such a dirty word to very many people. Having a massive Nuclear arsenal has it's benefits you know. With out USA's huge stockpile during the Cold War, what do you think the Communists would have done to mainland Europe?Also, Iran deserves to have nuclear power for its civilians, but in no way should they use it as a weapon. There is just too big a risk of it getting in the hands of the wrong people.
Germany and Italy were crushed yes, Japans ability to wage an offensive war was pretty much crushed, but Japan had the ability to defend itself, and would have until the last man standing. people are forgetting that Japan had a honor system, which to them defeat was worse then death. so in order to end the war, the US needed to drop the bomb on them, the shock and shear distruction of the bomb terrified them into surrendering. People also seldom mention Japans Atomic bomb program. and program which could have devloped a bomb for the Japanese, which they would have used to attack the United States. another thing people seldom mention is the Germans were sending Uranium to Japan, and their U-boat only surrendered because the war had ended.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>What Israel is doing is not "defending". They're attacking. Darfur has around 400,000 deaths, last I heard.And US is responsible for MILLIONS of deaths.</div>Hamas, and (the Lebenese group escapes my mind right now) have been attack Israel for years. they abduct Iraels citizens and kill and maime them, they've also been conducting suicide bombings like in Iraq, but they've been doing this for years.400,000 is a very conservitive number, a lot of the people killed and burried in mass graves and there is no record of them ever exisiting. but 400,000 is a lot more than the US has killed in the last 20 years.The Us may be responsible for millions of deaths, but almost every other country on Earth has killed twice the number that the US has in the past 100 years.
[quote name='redneck' date='Oct 2 2006, 09:18 PM' post='169232']Hamas, and (the Lebenese group escapes my mind right now) have been attack Israel for years. they abduct Iraels citizens and kill and maime them, they've also been conducting suicide bombings like in Iraq, but they've been doing this for years. [/quote]Hezbollah, I assume. Look, neither side is doing the right thing, both are actively attacking the other. To see Israel is merely "defending" themselves is false and far from the truth. Look at what they're doing, they're disobeing many UN conventions among others.400,000 is a very conservitive number, a lot of the people killed and burried in mass graves and there is no record of them ever exisiting. but 400,000 is a lot more than the US has killed in the last 20 years.The Us may be responsible for millions of deaths, but almost every other country on Earth has killed twice the number that the US has in the past 100 years.[/quote]Almost every other country is responsible for more deaths than the US? Are you serious?Name a dozen. You can't.
Germany, Russia, China, Japan, England, France, Iraq, Iran, Vietnam, Serbia, there is 10 right there, and with enough digging I could probably find a lot more. Most those countries right there have killed more of their own citizens than the US has killed other people.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Oct 3 2006, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Germany, Russia, China, Japan, England, France, Iraq, Iran, Vietnam, Serbia, there is 10 right there, and with enough digging I could probably find a lot more. Most those countries right there have killed more of their own citizens than the US has killed other people.</div>In the past 100 years? Get real.Germany, Russia, probably China.
yes in the last 100 years. people forget Germany, France and Brittian blew the sh*t out of each other for 3 years in WW1 before the US got involved, they did it again in WWII for three years before the US got involved, in that time killing millions upon millions of people.Japan killed a huge number of people before and during the second world war. they invaded and massacured hundreds of thousands of Chinese before they were defeated. Japan also killed around 100,000 Americans during the war, and who knows how many other Chinese, American, British, Austrailians, Indochinese, and Indians died in their death camps.Iran and Iraq have had mass killings since the 50s. Iraq also wipped out an entire generation of Irians in the Iran-Iraq war in the 80s. not to mention the Ethnic cleansing of the Kurds and others.Ehtnic Cleansing is also a huge thing with Serbia. Milosovic killed a lot people, most of which are still undocumented. some estimates put the number as high as 5-6 million.The US has killed a lot of people, but they didn't kill as many as other countries in WWI because they were late comers into the conflict. in WWII the US did inflict a lot of damage, especially to Japan. Korea and Vietnam were also bloody, but I don't have a reliable figure for those numbers, somewhere around 50,000 killed in Korea, and maybe 3 million in Vietnam. but since then, the US has killed relitivly few people in reguards to their capibility to kill. These current wars the number of the dead are again hard to find because the Government is trying to keep that information under wraps, but some reports say that about 1 million people have died because of the US involvment, this is not taking into account the terrorist attacked and insurgencies. the US has no instances inwhich it has done mass killings of its own citizens, and has had only one instance were it executed a POW.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Oct 3 2006, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yes in the last 100 years. people forget Germany, France and Brittian blew the sh*t out of each other for 3 years in WW1 before the US got involved, they did it again in WWII for three years before the US got involved, in that time killing millions upon millions of people.Japan killed a huge number of people before and during the second world war. they invaded and massacured hundreds of thousands of Chinese before they were defeated. Japan also killed around 100,000 Americans during the war, and who knows how many other Chinese, American, British, Austrailians, Indochinese, and Indians died in their death camps.Iran and Iraq have had mass killings since the 50s. Iraq also wipped out an entire generation of Irians in the Iran-Iraq war in the 80s. not to mention the Ethnic cleansing of the Kurds and others.Ehtnic Cleansing is also a huge thing with Serbia. Milosovic killed a lot people, most of which are still undocumented. some estimates put the number as high as 5-6 million.The US has killed a lot of people, but they didn't kill as many as other countries in WWI because they were late comers into the conflict. in WWII the US did inflict a lot of damage, especially to Japan. Korea and Vietnam were also bloody, but I don't have a reliable figure for those numbers, somewhere around 50,000 killed in Korea, and maybe 3 million in Vietnam. but since then, the US has killed relitivly few people in reguards to their capibility to kill. These current wars the number of the dead are again hard to find because the Government is trying to keep that information under wraps, but some reports say that about 1 million people have died because of the US involvment, this is not taking into account the terrorist attacked and insurgencies. the US has no instances inwhich it has done mass killings of its own citizens, and has had only one instance were it executed a POW.</div>You said most countries, meaning you still have hundreds to go.As far as you saying the US has never killed its own citizens......research the truth about 9-11.
9/11 conspiracies are such crap. Those morons have almost 1/5th of our country believing our government was behind it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Oct 4 2006, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>9/11 conspiracies are such crap. Those morons have almost 1/5th of our country believing our government was behind it. </div>Have you ever researched it?If so, I find it hard to believe you would believe what you do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheHoo @ Oct 4 2006, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Have you ever researched it?If so, I find it hard to believe you would believe what you do.</div> Three years ago I used to believe in the 9/11 conspiracies after reading Michael Moore's book and going on a few of the websites...Then websites against the conspiracy theorists came out...and I looked through them extensively and they had actual evidence and made a lot more sense..etc..I've watched all the video's, been to all the sites..etc..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You said most countries, meaning you still have hundreds to go.As far as you saying the US has never killed its own citizens......research the truth about 9-11.</div>I have done a lot of research about 9/11, and I have found no concrete evidence that supports the government had a clue as to what was going to transpire that day. there is a lot of coincidences and odd occurances but they do not add up. Conspircy theorist keep mentioning the Phoenix paper, which told the National Security advisor Rice about a so called terrorist attack on US soil. but what these same people fail to mention is that Clintons National Security advise also got many of these, and all but two were never more than terrorist groups blowing smoke.
Adolf Hitler may not be considered recent, but he's the biggest terrorist of all time. He killed a certain race for no particular reason. It was like blaming a child for breaking an already broken window. What was the point? The closest reason anyone has thought about why Hitler did what he did was because his mother died at an early age of his life and the doctor who informed him of the death was a Jewish man. Of course, Hitler had no sense at all throughout his entire life, so he believed that Jews were to blame for his mother's death... That's what my World History teacher claimed happened when I had her class last year.Another terrorist would be Saddam Hussein. He didn't have weapons of mass destruction, but sure did kill his own people without an actual purpose. You can't really blame him, though. He's from Iraq. That place is dangerous.
Biggest terrorist known to mankind? Brian Scalabrine. Single handedly terrorizing basketball fans since he came into the league.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yankshater213 @ Oct 8 2006, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Biggest terrorist known to mankind? Brian Scalabrine. Single handedly terrorizing basketball fans since he came into the league.</div>No way! It has to be Ha Seung Jin.
Nah dude, Brian Scalabrine is way worse than Ha Seung. I actually hate Scalabrine so much that I change the channel when he comes in, or leave the room or something because he's just so bad that I can't watch it.
No african nations yet? Big time genocides..Unfortunately the life of a black kid is worth much less then the life of a white kid :thumbdn1:
I've come to the conclusion as of late the reason no other nations are getting involved in the African Genocides is because its become so brutal that they dont want to subject their soldiers to it. I came to this conclusion after watching a documentary on the subject a few nights ago. the main focus was on the Sierra Leone violence, and that was some F*cked up sh*t to say the least. they'd cut the hands off of women and children for really no other reason than to commit violent acts.
