<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noah @ Nov 29 2006, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>-I refuse to support the "christian morals" that this country is so proud to claim itself to be built upon... I don't believe in organized religion, and I don't believe ANY gov't has the right to tell people what to do with their bodies (homosexual marriage not being legal, the move to ban abortions - it's bullsh**!),</div>Homosexual marriage should not be legal if the churches do not want it to be. Homosexual couples should be able to have the same rewards and benefits of married couples, but when you get to the actual term marriage it comes down to religion and not politics.I understand a lot of your beefs with the country, and I'm not going to argue it, but I disagree with a lot of what you're saying.
[quote name='Noah' post='211436' date='Nov 29 2006, 07:04 PM']Let's talk about how "great" this "wonderful" country is, shall we? Where to begin.. I can tell you how much I "love" this place:-I refuse to support a gov't run by a buncha rich/white/war-mongering jackasses who only care about themselves-I refuse to support a military, who many "soldiers'" enlist and have NO idea why they're even going to a pointless/immoral/illegal war... -I refuse to support those same soldiers who've raped and killed thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians-I refuse to support an evil f*cking dictator of a "president" - A megalomaniacal LIAR.. Someone who has absolutely ZERO business running anything, much less a country-I refuse to support the "christian morals" that this country is so proud to claim itself to be built upon... I don't believe in organized religion, and I don't believe ANY gov't has the right to tell people what to do with their bodies (homosexual marriage not being legal, the move to ban abortions - it's bullsh**!), or what "god" to believe in-I NEVER said the "pledge of allegiance" in school-I don't believe in becoming a part of the masses who gobble up every single f*cking thing the media likes to cram down their throats, not question ANY of it, and ask for seconds with big sh*t-eating grins on their faces - And those who dissent or have any sorta different opinion is labeled as a "terrorist" on the spot (Like I may inevitably be)-These're the same people who claim "america is the greatest country in the world" which is the BIGGEST crock of f*cking sh*t I've EVER heard... How the F*ck could anyone living her proclaim it to be the greatest, NO ONE can say that about their country, I don't care WHERE you live! Why? Because no one has ever lived in every single country in the world! So that statement just reeks of sh*t.-I refuse to be a part of that arrogance... The arrogance that's so blind to how the rest of the world views them - the laughing stock of the entire world!Now I know the above statements seem bitter and/or hateful. But I don't "hate" this country, nor do I "love" it... Unfortunately I would be f*cking GONE (Don't start in on the 'love it or leave it' garbage) I would be gone in a heartbeat if it was so easy for someone to move OUT of the country, as it apparently is to illegally make your way (and stay) IN this f*cking place. This country does have some good people, and does have some nice/interesting places and aspects about it... Not EVERYONE is stereotyped into the statements I've made, but I'm going by what the majority has shown me. I am embarrassed and ashamed to be even remotely associated with this fu*kin' place for the most part... Not only because of the gov't that "runs" things, the war, the "christian" mindset, but a lot to do with the arrogance of it's people, I'll never be able to subscribe to that bullsh**, it's simply not right. I've been to other countries and I can tell you first hand this is most definitely NOT the "greatest country in the world".... If people want to be "proud" of where their from, that's their choice. But on the flip side of that, not EVERYONE is "proud to be american" simply because it's not their fault they were born here.[/quote] You really have no idea how good you have it in this country. So you obviously don't like living here, so where else would you like to go? South America is largely a economic mess, Africa is also an economic mess, the middleeast is a complete mess. Europe? They are pretty much the same as we are, Australia? Been there, they are pretty much like us as well. My bet is that your not a very happy person, after reading this thread you come off as a spoiled little know-it-all that acts like America is the only country with flaws. Believe it or not, Christians will not take over this country, not all our troops rape children and it's not there fault they are in a war and have to kill civilians (mind you it's mostley Iraqi's killing eachother over religion, not us). You have to realize that this country's not just about religion or the War in Iraq. I believe it or not had a similar attitude that you had in most of high school. 'America is stupid and ignorant'. I've grown up and realized most of the blame America first people are just as stupid as the people they are bashing. I'm not saying America is the best country in the world but it's much better than most. I've been to other countries and this is the one I will always call home. What do you believe in that is different than the media? Who does the media undeservingly call terrorists? Your not a terrorist, just an idiot. He's an idiot but not a dictator...Iran's President is an idiot and a dictator. So my cousin is a murderous rapist? A very small percentage of soliders are rapists and killing civilians? It happens in war all the time... Every government on earth is run by rich jackasses who are self obsessed. Ahh...you know everything! And all other Americans that don't believe what you believe are arrogant idiots, am I right? Why should I care about what the world thinks? We are the #1 country in the world, the one that everyone is obsessed about...whatever we do is put under a microscope...Why don't all these sh*t hole countries that hate us put their hatred to good use by actually improving their own shithole country?
[quote name='BrewCityBuck' post='211498' date='Nov 29 2006, 05:29 PM']You really have no idea how good you have it in this country. So you obviously don't like living here, so where else would you like to go? South America is largely a economic mess, Africa is also an economic mess, the middleeast is a complete mess. Europe? They are pretty much the same as we are, Australia? Been there, they are pretty much like us as well. [/quote]I don't, do I? You sure about that? I'd MUCH rather live in Canada or Scotland as I've already stated... You wanna talk about economic mess? Did you know we're trillions of dollars in the hole? I'm not even going to mention the sh*tty health insurance system out here. If you bothered to read, I said there WERE some decent things about this country... Just not enough to make up for the sh*tty things... And ALL countries have issues, I'm not disputing that. The fact that americans think theirs is the best, and wants to make sure everyone knows what they perceive to be a "fact" is what f*cking disgusts me. It's not? This country is run by a gov't who takes it's pride on being based upon "christian morals"... 'In god we trust' on the money, etc. The war was completely unnecessary from day f*cking one. There were NEVER any WMD's... This country blindly supported something that has inevitably turned out to be just like something very familiar called: Viet Nam.Not only that, but this country has MASSIVE financial problems... MASSIVE retirement/medical insurance problems... For christ's sake, look at the disaster last year with Katrina... As SOON as that hit, right after, the troops should've came home from Iraq and helped fixed things in their OWN f*cking country! There's so much that is wrong with this place... Again, every country has their problems, but this one is in denial about a lot of the issues it has. Really? So you've lived in most other countries of the world? Because unless you have, you have ZERO leg to stand on.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noah @ Nov 29 2006, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not only that, but this country has MASSIVE financial problems... MASSIVE retirement/medical insurance problems... For christ's sake, look at the disaster last year with Katrina... As SOON as that hit, right after, the troops should've came home from Iraq and helped fixed things in their OWN f*cking country! There's so much that is wrong with this place... Again, every country has their problems, but this one is in denial about a lot of the issues it has. Really? So you've lived in most other countries of the world? Because unless you have, you have ZERO leg to stand on.</div> It's not the Army's or Marine's job to stand around in a disaster area and clean up destoryed homes. Yeah, because of a hurricane let's bring all the troops out of an active war so they can stand around in Louisiana, thats what the military should be doing! Not to mention the fact that bringing the troops home and bringing everything back from Iraq would take months and months... I have visited Canada, spent a summer in Australia and New Zealand and spent a few days in the U.K.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Nov 29 2006, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's not the Army's or Marine's job to stand around in a disaster area and clean up destoryed homes. Yeah, because of a hurricane let's bring all the troops out of an active war so they can stand around in Louisiana, thats what the military should be doing! Not to mention the fact that bringing the troops home and bringing everything back from Iraq would take months and months...</div>That's right let's NOT have any of our military resources help out the destroyed people in one of it's own cities. That's WAL-MART's job, dontcha know?!? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I have visited Canada, spent a summer in Australia and New Zealand and spent a few days in the U.K.</div>Hardly "most other countries" there bud. See my argument works because I know and have been to the countries I feel are better than this one. Yours fails, because you (and so many others) make such broad arrogant statements proclaiming it to be SO much better than "MOST" other countries, when they've not been to "most other countries".
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Really? So you've lived in most other countries of the world? Because unless you have, you have ZERO leg to stand on.</div> Well...Considering Africa as a continent is a complete mess, filled with uneducated/ignorant people with rampant disease and unemplyment...Considering South America is relatively poor and uneducated...Considering the middleeast is run by religion and oppression...wildly violent and unatable..and the fact that I'm western would likely get me killed...I wouldn't want to live there. Considering most of Europe is very similar to America and filled with know-it-all hippies I wouldn't want to live there...Considering Asia is pretty poor and filled with bad labor jobs...I wouldn't want to live there...I wouldn't mind living in Australia..I love it there...So I would live in America first and second in Australia.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noah @ Nov 29 2006, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's right let's NOT have any of our military resources help out the destroyed people in one of it's own cities. That's WAL-MART's job, dontcha know?!? Hardly "most other countries" there bud. See my argument works because I know and have been to the countries I feel are better than this one. Yours fails, because you (and so many others) make such broad arrogant statements proclaiming it to be SO much better than "MOST" other countries, when they've not been to "most other countries".</div> Your thinking is nice but impossible. It's not the U.S. militarys job, would I like it that they help? Sure. But thats not what they do and not what they should be doing. I don't need to live in a country to know I wouldn't want to live there. I know I don't want to live in Montenegro because it's a shithole and I know I don't want to live in Sudan because there are no jobs there and it's poor.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noah @ Nov 29 2006, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's right let's NOT have any of our military resources help out the destroyed people in one of it's own cities. That's WAL-MART's job, dontcha know?!? Hardly "most other countries" there bud. See my argument works because I know and have been to the countries I feel are better than this one. Yours fails, because you (and so many others) make such broad arrogant statements proclaiming it to be SO much better than "MOST" other countries, when they've not been to "most other countries".</div>sorry that we cant afford to go all over the world to "experience what it's like to live in other countries" when we're perfectly fine with the one we live in
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Nov 29 2006, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>sorry that we cant afford to go all over the world to "experience what it's like to live in other countries" when we're perfectly fine with the one we live in</div> :drunk: Everyone wear this in there profile somewhereThe U.S. and A is #1!
plus Noah if you want free health care so bad why don't you drive up to Canada or take a boat over to Scotland whenever you break your leg or you're sick..or do you just not go to the doctor's office because tehre isn't "Free" Health care?you're just as "arrogant" as the people you complain about are if you go to the doctors when you're sick..you're giving them money..oh noand by the way..you probably don't know sh*t about economics..but when you have free health care like countries like Canada do..did you know that the prices for other things like your bills go up? it all goes back to the government..the same amount of money as people in America pay..whether you acknowledge that or so blindly don't
Not to mention in Canada you often have to wait monthes for certain types of treatment because of waiting lists and lack of equipment. The taxes in Canada are very high. 'Free' healthcare is nice though.
The last 2 posts exemplify exactly the arrogance and ignorance among most of this f*cking countries citizens. It's really quite mind-boggling. And you're right, the military shouldn't be helping out it's own citizens in a time of devastation and need... It should be destroying foreign countries that have nothing to do with them, and putting THEM in a state of devastation and need!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noah @ Nov 29 2006, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The last 2 posts exemplify exactly the arrogance and ignorance among most of this f*cking countries citizens. It's really quite mind-boggling. And you're right, the military shouldn't be helping out it's own citizens in a time of devastation and need... It should be destroying foreign countries that have nothing to do with them, and putting THEM in a state of devastation and need!</div> For the 3rd time, it's not the military's job. Would I like them to? Sure. But I'm telling you a fact. I don't care what your opinion is.
its FEMA's responsibility and the National Guard which is the standing army only come's in if neccesary..you do know what a standing army is, right?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Nov 29 2006, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>its FEMA's responsibility and the National Guard which is the standing army only come's in if neccesary..you do know what a standing army is, right?</div> In Noah's fantasy world the military should drop everything it's doing and help with hurricane relief efforts. While thats all good thats not what an active militaries job is and he doesn't seem to understand that. The military is used to defend this county from foreign attack and to attack when asked, not cleaning up sandbags in the south east.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Nov 29 2006, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In Noah's fantasy world the military should drop everything it's doing and help with hurricane relief efforts. While thats all good thats not what an active militaries job is and he doesn't seem to understand that. The military is used to defend this county from foreign attack and to attack when asked, not cleaning up sandbags in the south east.</div>No no, you're right. It's the military's job to f*cking kill and rape innocent civilians, defending this country against ideals (the threat of "terrorism" is an ideal which can NEVER be killed) and imaginary weapons of mass destruction. You're right on that, and that it's FEMA's job... But it looks like WAL-MART was more prepared then they. And when a f*cking retail chain store is better prepared to handle a crisis as devastating as Katrina was, you know somethings f*cking wrong.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noah @ Nov 29 2006, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No no, you're right. It's the military's job to f*cking kill and rape innocent civilians, defending this country against ideals (the threat of "terrorism" is an ideal which can NEVER be killed) and imaginary weapons of mass destruction. You're right on that, and that it's FEMA's job... But it looks like WAL-MART was more prepared then they. And when a f*cking retail chain store is better prepared to handle a crisis as devastating as Katrina was, you know somethings f*cking wrong.</div> A very small minority of our troops rape and kill civilians, most of the claimes that we have killed civilians have been ruled fake and staged by insurgents.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Nov 29 2006, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A very small minority of our troops rape and kill civilians, most of the claimes that we have killed civilians have been ruled fake and staged by insurgents.</div>Innocent civilians... If the Iraqi's are going to kill each other, let them do it. Why the F*ck do americans need to get in the middle of it? Again, the "war on terrorism" is a war against an IDEAL... How the F*ck do you win a war against an ideal? It doesn't make sense! There's NO reason to remain there, the beginning of withdrawal should start happening ASAP, these things (as you had mentioned) take time, so start f*cking now!I'm really hoping the gaddamned democrats don't pussy out and follow that bastard bush on whatever he says... I won't hold my fu*kin' breath though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noah @ Nov 29 2006, 08:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No no, you're right. It's the military's job to f*cking kill and rape innocent civilians, defending this country against ideals (the threat of "terrorism" is an ideal which can NEVER be killed) and imaginary weapons of mass destruction. You're right on that, and that it's FEMA's job... But it looks like WAL-MART was more prepared then they. And when a f*cking retail chain store is better prepared to handle a crisis as devastating as Katrina was, you know somethings f*cking wrong.</div>ay yo..........SHUT THE F*ck UPUSA! USA!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noah @ Nov 29 2006, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Innocent civilians... If the Iraqi's are going to kill each other, let them do it. Why the F*ck do americans need to get in the middle of it? Again, the "war on terrorism" is a war against an IDEAL... How the F*ck do you win a war against an ideal? It doesn't make sense! There's NO reason to remain there, the beginning of withdrawal should start happening ASAP, these things (as you had mentioned) take time, so start f*cking now!I'm really hoping the gaddamned democrats don't pussy out and follow that bastard bush on whatever he says... I won't hold my fu*kin' breath though.</div> I agree. I'm against the war and I think we need to leave.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Nov 29 2006, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ay yo..........SHUT THE F*ck UPUSA! USA!</div> :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: I love you more by the day playaofthegame. :happy0144:
