Unions, America's Backbone

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  1. Rastapopoulos

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    Makes you wonder why the Republicans are ramming this through in a lame duck session, doesn't it?
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I didn't play football at The Citadel.
     
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    What the hell are you talking about?
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Better than ramming through a massive piece of social legislation on "reconciliation".
     
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    I'd be interested to know what state's fortunes have looked up after they passed right to work laws. Also, does anyone have a comparison of prosperous states with right to work states? Presumably since unions are such a drag on the economy it would be all the successful states with rich happy people that have right to work laws. Is it?
     
  6. Denny Crane

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    The rhetoric following the election is elections matter. They are doing the peoples' will. No doubt about it.

    I happen to like unions just fine, though I don't think the workplace is a democracy like unions make it out to be.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Last February, RTW states had an 8.3% unemployment rate while non RTW state had 9.7% Decide for yourself.
     
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    Better how?

    Oh, and the Michigan Republicans, whose leader is this guy had such respect for Democracy that they attached some spending to this bill to take advantage of a rule that says that spending bills can't be overturned by referendum. One might almost think that they think the people might not like this.
     
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    Boo hoo. Parliamentary tricks got us ObamaCare. Goose. Gander.
     
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    Pathetic. Really, that's the best you can do? You know how unreliable unemployment statistics are, right? Besides which, you could interpret your statistic to show that people would rather be unemployed in the non RTW states because they have a better safety net.

    Let's see some standard of living comparisons and average family income.
     
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    Your commitment to democracy didn't last long.
     
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    Because a "lame duck" session is still business as usual, where they had to bend the rules to pass Obamacare.

    And the reason they attached spending on it was there was a referendum that was just defeated. Like Denny said, the people just spoke clearly on this issue. The people tried to stop Obamacare (it's never polled above 50%) and the politicians refused to listen.
     
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    WTF? I'm not your reference librarian. I did a simple search to quickly answer your question. If you don't like the answer, do your own research.
     
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    Maxiep, your anti-union crusade is cute :)
     
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    I don't have a commitment to democracy. We have a republic because democracy can mean the will of a tyrannical majority, even if it's a slim majority.

    I still say boo hoo. Shoe's on the other foot, so it seems.

    If it was good for ObamaCare which the people did not want, it's good for the voters of Michigan who do want right to work laws.
     
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    I have no problem with private sector unions. If you wish to organize, more power to you. However, you shouldn't have to join a union just to get a job. As for public sector unions, they should be illegal. Even FDR thought so.
     
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    Bullshit. For one thing, that doesn't even make sense - if the referendum had been defeated why would they worry about another?
    For another, the proposal that was voted on was one about (a)amending the constitution, (b) to rule out the possibility of such laws. I don't know if I can explain this in simple enough terms for you, but you can be opposed to amending the constitution to rule out the possibility of something, AND AT THE SAME TIME opposed to the thing itself. Clearly the Republicans believe this is true of Michigan voters.

    Fun fact: not one of the big three car companies has come out in favor of right to work legislation. Doesn't that boggle your Koch-addled mind?

    Where was it I read that the mark of a conservative brain is the need to oversimplify every issue?

    You don't seriously believe this, do you? You do know that since the time of the Clintons, when the policies themselves are explained to people, without saying who's advocating them, the majority are in favor?

    And you know what? Mitt Romney made repealing Obamacare a centerpiece of his election. Repeated it again and again. So I guess that's why the people voted him into office.
     
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    Oscar Wilde you ain't.
     
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    Foresight.

    And the good people of Michigan can elect members who oppose this change and those officials can vote to change it back.

    First, I have a Hayek-addled mind. Koch Industries offered me a job, but I didn't want to live in Wichita. What do you have against Austrian Economics? As for the Big Three, why would they go out of their way to piss off the UAW?

    "Hope and Change!" "The Rich Need to Pay Their Fair Share!" "Healthcare is a Human Right!"

    I do believe it. The people of Massachusetts elected a Republican specificially to stop it. As for the polling, Obamacare has consistently been negative, even when Democrats have been a massive majority in this country (2008, D+7, 2012, D+6).

    Then you would think that Obamacare would be supported by a majority of the people. Check the polls. Perhaps there are other reasons people preferred to re-elect President Obama, or are you now contending that Liberals are the simple-minded, single-issue ones? Hmm...
     
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    You said you played football in college and you've said you went to The Citadel.

    Am I missing something here?
     

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