Date ended: Thursday August 17thTopic: Which conference has more talent, The Eastern Conference or the Western Conference?Rules: Keep it clean, No need to throw put instults and harmful remarks. You guys can just go at it unti the due date, Debate like crazy. If you both agree with the topic, See if you can prove your opponents points wrong, If you agree to the extent where there is nothing to debate about, Then say something and we will get you a new topic.Good luck.
I say that the West has more talent. They have for the past few years, and although it is more rounded out now than before, the West still is more talented. The East has more youth, its safe to say that, but the West is more talented.The East has teams fighting for the last spot that are below .500. Whereas teams in the West would have a much better chance making it in the Eastern playoffs than the Western Conference. The last 5 MVPs came from the West. 7 of the last 8 came from the West also.That's all I have right now. I'll put more later.Tony can we extend this one more day. I'll be gone from Tuesday to Thursday in a Cross Country Camp.
I agree that the West is more talented but I don't agree with some of your points. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Aug 13 2006, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The East has teams fighting for the last spot that are below .500. Whereas teams in the West would have a much better chance making it in the Eastern playoffs than the Western Conference.</div> Just because a team is bad, doesn't mean it doesn't have talent. The sixers didn't make the playoffs last year, but are Allen Iverson and Andre Iguodala untalented? New York is full of talented players, but they just don't gel together at all.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Aug 13 2006, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The last 5 MVPs came from the West. 7 of the last 8 came from the West also.</div>Well, since when was the MVP the most talented player? If it was, there would be no way in hell Nash would win it. It would be between the three most talented players in the league (when healthy). Lebron James, Tracy McGrady, and Kobe Bryant.The West is more talented because at almost every position they have someone a little more talented than the East does.At Point Guard Nash is more talented than Jason Kidd and Chauncey Billubs.At Shooting Guard Kobe is more talented than Dwyane Wade and Allen Iverson.At Small Forward (when healthy) Tracy McGrady is just a little worse or equal to Lebron (the Dallas series is better than anything Lebron has ever done).At Power Forward Duncan, Dirk, and Garnett.At Center Yao is more talented than Shaq. Remember, this is talent, Yao can hit fadeaways while Shaq's post game has deteriorated over the years.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Aug 13 2006, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree that the West is more talented but I don't agree with some of your points. Just because a team is bad, doesn't mean it doesn't have talent. The sixers didn't make the playoffs last year, but are Allen Iverson and Andre Iguodala untalented? New York is full of talented players, but they just don't gel together at all.Well, since when was the MVP the most talented player? If it was, there would be no way in hell Nash would win it. It would be between the three most talented players in the league (when healthy). Lebron James, Tracy McGrady, and Kobe Bryant.The West is more talented because at almost every position they have someone a little more talented than the East does.At Point Guard Nash is more talented than Jason Kidd and Chauncey Billubs.At Shooting Guard Kobe is more talented than Dwyane Wade and Allen Iverson.At Small Forward (when healthy) Tracy McGrady is just a little worse or equal to Lebron (the Dallas series is better than anything Lebron has ever done).At Power Forward Duncan, Dirk, and Garnett.At Center Yao is more talented than Shaq. Remember, this is talent, Yao can hit fadeaways while Shaq's post game has deteriorated over the years.</div>There are two different types of talents. There is skill-talent, the kind that KG and Stephon Marbury have. They don't lead their team to wins, but they put up stats and are a fantasy basketball junkies best friends. Then there is the talent that gets wins. The Tim Duncan/Chauncey Billups type of player who is talented in terms of wins. These types of players keep the Spurs and the Pistons in contention. Stephon Marbury is the better basketball player in terms of skill among him and Chauncey, and same with KG over Duncan. But it's obvious that Duncan and Chauncey are the players you would rather have.What does that have to do with anything?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Just because a team is bad, doesn't mean it doesn't have talent. The sixers didn't make the playoffs last year, but are Allen Iverson and Andre Iguodala untalented? New York is full of talented players, but they just don't gel together at all.</div>Two types of talents. Iverson and Iggy aren't untalented. They have as much skill-talent as anyone. They aren't winners though.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>At Point Guard Nash is more talented than Jason Kidd and Chauncey Billubs.At Shooting Guard Kobe is more talented than Dwyane Wade and Allen Iverson.At Small Forward (when healthy) Tracy McGrady is just a little worse or equal to Lebron (the Dallas series is better than anything Lebron has ever done).At Power Forward Duncan, Dirk, and Garnett.At Center Yao is more talented than Shaq. Remember, this is talent, Yao can hit fadeaways while Shaq's post game has deteriorated over the years.</div>I agree somewhat with Point Guard, as Nash is not only a great shooter, but he has helped the careers of Tim Thomas, Boris Diaw, Leandro Barbosa, Raja Bell, Shawn Marion, Amare, etc.. But Kidd and Billups are both lightyears ahead of him in terms of defense.Shooting Guard is too hard to gauge. Kobe is super talented, but DWade and Iverson are amazingly talented too. I'd give the nod to Kobe though.Small Forward, I agree. Lebron is more talented than TMac.Power Forward, definately West. It's Tim, Dirk, Garnett, Amare, Brand, and Gasol have more talent than Dwight, Bosh, JO, Rasheed, Okafor, and CWebb.Center, yes Yao has more talent than Shaq. Shaq is still more dominate, but Yao still has more talent.
But the question isn't arguing which conference has more skill talent or more winning talent, it's arguing which one has more sheer talent. That includes both of those categories. That is why the Knicks are a talented team. That is why I put T Mac as as good or a little bit worse than Lebron. That is why I put Yao ahead of Shaq, and why I put Kevin Garnett as a top 3 power forward in the West.
i'll go with SunnyD. He brought up a good point that in the west the talent translates to wins. bc i mena, what good is talent if you just keep on losing with it?btw, not alot to argue here. Both of you guys contradicted yourselves several times.EDIT: type-o's.
Winner: SunnyDThis was really hard for me to judge simply because you both agreed on the topic and thus there wasn't really that much to judge on. What it came down to was simply SunnyD breaking it down into two different types of talent, and showing that the West's talent translates into wins whereas the East's talent doesn't necessarily do that. Simply put, SunnyD just clarified his points more than Lakaboy42 did.Great job by both of you on a debate that, well, really wasn't much of a debate since you guys agreed on the topic.Congratulations on moving onto the next round SunnyD and good luck!
