My (public) elementary school has armed guards, it is not some 22nd century concept.

These guys have all been mentally ill. "deter" isn't in the lexicon

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you showed me how tight gun control laws in NY went down slightly more, but not a TON more than Arkansas, with laxer rules. Primarily because of the overall decrease in crime in the country as a whole. I would bet that this also coincides with the rates with conceal carry, them dropping as a whole. Would be interested to see statistics showing otherwise, though.

 

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Hmm, usually the person making the claim backs up their argument. Guess not. So be it.
So, there's no clear cause/effect, but hey, doesn't hurt. But then when people say ban guns, becaus,e while it might not be effective, hey, it doesn't hurt, and then you demand to show how it would actually help?

 

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tell ya what, you just keep banging that drum


when the next storm sandy or hurricane Katrina happens in your neck of the woods nd the raoming band of thieves comes around, you can explain your beliefs to them and see if that works

I will have guns to protect my family

 

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I don't imagine there'll be a need to explain my beliefs to any roaming band of thieves. It does strike me as a funny comment, relating back to the living in fear contention of earlier in the thread.
But then, hey, big storms and roaving bands are such statistical anomalies that I shouldn't have to bother, when I can just play the odds.

 

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So Im generalizing here but the same people who suggest armed guards in all our schools don't think universal health care is worth the cost? How are we going to pay for this? If we are going to keep guns and put guards in our schools it schould be paid for by a tax on guns and ammo, a big fat heafty tax on guns an ammo which will furthar put guns and ammo out of reach.

 

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you link the weirdest shit.

 

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Here's something to think about. All over this country, parents and teachers are demanding that we make sure these kind of shooting will not happen at their school. They don't want to accept that this demand is impossible. They don't care what it costs, they don't care that the 'fix' won't stop the bad guys, they are just frantic that the next crazy shooter will be at their school.

They want a perimeter chain link fence around the entire site. It doesn't matter that they already have one, because the existing ones have openings in them, so the kids can get to their neighborhood school quickly. To close all of the openings means that little Billy will have to walk/ride his bike the long way around the 10 acre site to get to the front of the school, instead of riding a hundred yards on the direct route through a gate in the fence. Let's not loose sight of the fact that Thurston High School had a secured perimeter when Kip Kinkle showed up to shoot a bunch of his classmates.

Parents and teachers are clamoring for more cameras at the schools. The problem with cameras is that they are not useful without someone watching them. Does your school district have the money to pay people to sit around and watch cameras for intruders? (For that matter, does your school district have the money to hire security for the front door?) Cameras are good for catching people after they do something illegal at a school....they don't stop it from happening. And, when the shooter kills a bunch of kids, then blows his brains out, you don't really need a camera to tell you who did the crime.

Parents and teachers want ornamental fencing (like wrought iron) inside the perimeter so that kids can move between buildings on the campus without leaving the confines of the fence. Keep in mind that each gate is on a fire egress path, so each gate must be fitted with panic hardware (at about $650 per). Panic hardware is easy to defeat on an exterior gate. Skateboarders, for instance, simple reach over the gate with their skateboard and smack the panic device, which pops open and gives them access to school buildings. There are many ways to defeat these devices, so the inner fence is ineffective, except as a visual barrier.

Parents and teachers want to have cameras mounted on the inside fence, with 'buzz in' capability for visitors. That means running data cabling to the gate, as well as running power to the gate to activate the electric strike when they buzz you someone in. Again, there is a panic on that gate which is easily defeated. Running power and data is expensive, and it is money spent without much hope of changing anything as far as a shooter entering the school is concerned. Keep in mind that the school in Connecticut had the 'buzz in' feature and it didn't deter the shooter one bit.

Teachers, in particular, want their doors keyed so that they can lock their classroom door from the inside. This minimizes their exposure, compared to having to go into the hallway to lock the door from the outside. At our local school district, that cost over $300,000 for all of the schools. It doesn't seem to matter that they guy with the rifle can shoot the glass out of the door, then enter any classroom he wants to.

Statewide, these kinds of improvements will cost tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars. In Oregon, I doubt that there is even a handful of schools that isn't struggling just to fund teaching the kids. They don't have piles of money laying around to implement all kinds of projects that make people FEEL safer, but in reality don't change anything meaningful.

If your community is pushing for security upgrades, be ready to vote on a bond measure to pay for these upgrades....and they are upgrades that really don't change anything when the guy with a gun shows up.

Go Blazers

 

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Sadly, I don't think there is a deterrent for these guys. I think they go into it knowing they will either commit suicide, or that someone will kill them to stop the carnage. Not much reason to be deterred, if you plan on dying.

Go Blazers

 

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Teachers are crazy, I wouldn't want my kid at a school where a teacher has a gun.

 

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Most importantly, it cuts down on repeat offenders.

 

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That is what I was thinking.

Since posters just throw out ideas and say the stats prove it . . . more people are killed or injuried by accidental shootings of guns at homes than people who actually use them protecting themselves. Hell no I don't want teachers bringing guns to school.

 

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I'm worried about two types of people invading our schools, crazed message board owners and Martians.

 

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As for illegals in the school system, I would allow message board owners into the 1st grade, as long as they sit in the back of the bus and drink from segregated water fountains.