<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Aug 12 2006, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>wtf? he don't pass.Things I hate about kobe:too arrogantrapetoo many kobe lovers, do you see me making a thread called "who else is sick of all the kobe lovers?" no. get over it.can't work with anyonedemands the ball too muchrefuses to let a REAL team be built around himHAS to be the star of the showmainly his arrogance, and that annoying smirk he wearsEDIT: oh and he likes donovan mcnabb, who gets more on my nerves each season -.-don't bring up the 81 point crap. it's irrelevant. Wilt coulda had 150 against the frickin raptors. Hell, I could get 30 on em.</div>You get dumber with each post...People hate on Kobe cause they either jealous OR like Melo061 said they think it's the "cool" thing to do.
Diesel, I'm sorry but you're absolutely wrong. 100 percent. Kobe never thought he was the next MJ, of course he likes to emulate his game, but no one is the next MJ. And Kobe realizes that. He even said in a SLAM magazine that he wishes the MJ comparisons would go away. And Kobe having a piss-poor attitude? Typical, another Shaq fan..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pmac34 @ Aug 13 2006, 03:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yes kobe = god</div>And i'm sick of tired of people like you who try to discredit people's post by saying you worship them. That was weak.edit: Yeh, i find it ironic shaq fan calling a kobe a bi*ch. Shaq always used to complain about the reffing, cussed on tv and alot of players will tell you he was an ass. Just ask Vlade divac. But no, that's not bitchy. That's shaq being shaq.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Diesel @ Aug 12 2006, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:yess: I hate him because of that and the fact that he's just a bi*ch. I mean he told police Shaq paid women off when he got accused of rape. Cmon now you don't snitch on a teammate. Also how he thinks he's MJ. I hate that. Then how he hogs the ball. My god..He's an amazing player don't get me wrong, but I just hate his attitude. He's right next to TO in my book.</div>lmao Kobe thinks hes mj :g: everytime someone asks kobe if hes better than michael or if they compare him to mj,kobe is always humble and says hes NOT michael jordan.Ever since the beggining of his carear when people were saying he was the next MJ kobe always said he would never be Jordan.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Aug 13 2006, 01:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>lmao Kobe thinks hes mj :g: everytime someone asks kobe if hes better than michael or if they compare him to mj,kobe is always humble and says hes NOT michael jordan.Ever since the beggining of his carear when people were saying he was the next MJ kobe always said he would never be Jordan.</div>Yeah, he is just being a douche. He is such a prick that he would say he is worse than MJ just so that people will go, "Oh he is so humble let's touch him under his boxers" and he goes, "Oh yeah baby you're white let me take advantage of you"Vodka is bad, people.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Aug 12 2006, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This entire thread proves my earlier point... enough said.</div>dude shut up you are basically saying that if some1 is defending a player that means they are riding his dick,and thats silly.Some of these people defending kobe aren't even fans of his not to mention the people critisizing him are coming up with stupid reasons.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Aug 13 2006, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The thing that I am really sick of is Kobe fans randomly including Kobe in discussions that he has nothing to do with (not many people here on this board, but I've seen it a few times). They also take offense to anything remotely resembling a negative remark about Kobe.If you ask me... Kobe haters don't actually hate Kobe himself... rather they hate the way some of his fans ride his dick all day (not all fans, but everybody knows there are a sh*t load of them out there).</div>That is what you said. What people are saying in this thread are not remotely hate, it's full blown hate Saying Kobe can't work with anyone, can't take a back seat and can't be a team player are false and is hate . Diesel nor sts brought up their fans, they attacked kobe. So no, your post hasnt described what has happened.
My whole point was that some Kobe fans cannot live with the fact that there are people out there who hate Kobe and/or do not feel the same way they do about either Kobe's game or his personality. So what if somebody doesn't like Kobe? Get over it... it's not going to kill you. You don't have to jump all over them because they think Kobe is selfish, etc. That's their opinion... You can defend him, but sometimes it is just comical how some Kobe fans react to slight negative comments (not in this thread) or how they feel they have to continually make topics about proving Kobe is hated or how they feel that the only way you can truly like Kobe is if you absolutely hate Shaq.Everybody has their own opinions on basketball players and people. If somebody doesn't like Kobe (whether it be his game or his personality), how in the world does that effect you? It doesn't... sure, go ahead and refute their comments, but don't get all worked up over it (I've seen it numerous times on this board). I admit that if somebody says something negative about AI that I disagree with, I will defend AI, but not to the ridiculous point that Kobe fans defend Kobe. I guess Laker fans act like primadonnas because the city is full of them.All I'm saying is that you guys say people are stupid (just using an example) because they "make up excuses" to hate Kobe, and that's just ridiculous. Well... they might look like "excuses" to you, but to the othe person they might be legitimate reasons. I'm sure all of you don't LOVE every player in the league (whether it be skillwise or personality-wise), so stop bashing other people because they have their own reasons for not liking your favorite player.Everybody has their own opinions. Don't get your panties in a bunch just because somebody doesn't like your favorite player or if somebody disagrees with you. I don't see other teams fans making threads like "I'll prove that there are [insert player name] haters," etc. or bashing a player who contributed so much to their teams success (Shaq) just because he had negative stuff to say about Kobe (when it went both ways). It's just comical to me.Do you think trying to change peoples minds is going to make a difference? Nope... because most of the time their minds won't be changed. It's almost as if Kobe fans feel as they HAVE to try to change people's minds about Kobe in order to make themselves feel like they have fulfilled their duty/obligation to Kobe himself.Everybody has their own opinions about players (not just Kobe). Live with it, and respect it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Aug 13 2006, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>My whole point was that some Kobe fans cannot live with the fact that there are people out there who hate Kobe and/or do not feel the same way they do about either Kobe's game or his personality. So what if somebody doesn't like Kobe? Get over it... it's not going to kill you. You don't have to jump all over them because they think Kobe is selfish, etc. That's their opinion... You can defend him, but sometimes it is just comical how some Kobe fans react to slight negative comments (not in this thread) or how they feel they have to continually make topics about proving Kobe is hated or how they feel that the only way you can truly like Kobe is if you absolutely hate Shaq.Everybody has their own opinions on basketball players and people. If somebody doesn't like Kobe (whether it be his game or his personality), how in the world does that effect you? It doesn't... sure, go ahead and refute their comments, but don't get all worked up over it (I've seen it numerous times on this board). I admit that if somebody says something negative about AI that I disagree with, I will defend AI, but not to the ridiculous point that Kobe fans defend Kobe. I guess Laker fans act like primadonnas because the city is full of them.All I'm saying is that you guys say people are stupid (just using an example) because they "make up excuses" to hate Kobe, and that's just ridiculous. Well... they might look like "excuses" to you, but to the othe person they might be legitimate reasons. I'm sure all of you don't LOVE every player in the league (whether it be skillwise or personality-wise), so stop bashing other people because they have their own reasons for not liking your favorite player.Everybody has their own opinions. Don't get your panties in a bunch just because somebody doesn't like your favorite player or if somebody disagrees with you. I don't see other teams fans making threads like "I'll prove that there are [insert player name] haters," etc. or bashing a player who contributed so much to their teams success (Shaq) just because he had negative stuff to say about Kobe (when it went both ways). It's just comical to me.Do you think trying to change peoples minds is going to make a difference? Nope... because most of the time their minds won't be changed. It's almost as if Kobe fans feel as they HAVE to try to change people's minds about Kobe in order to make themselves feel like they have fulfilled their duty/obligation to Kobe himself.Everybody has their own opinions about players (not just Kobe). Live with it, and respect it.</div>Big mo, as a knowledgable guy you know and i know that the things in this threads are ridicilous.can't work with anyoneFalserefuses to let a REAL team be built around himFalseHAS to be the star of the showFalse.This is the excuses i'm talking about. Their just common sentences which everyone associates to kobe even though it really is very distorted. The amnesia that everyone suffers for has gripped all nba fans.What i get fustrated is that this concocted story that Kobe bryant was selfish and shaq wasn't. I haven't heard a bleep of a word about people mentioning shaq's " i got injured on company time so i will surgery on company time". Not one word. But every thread kobe is mentioned he is accused of being selfish and breaking up the dynasty. The whole story in la is the most concocted story in morden civilisation, the lies that have come out of it are being exposed. Lazenby exposing phil for who he really is and stories coming out about shaq. The truth is coming out.I'm trying to dispell the myth that shaq is all class and kobe destroyed the dynasty alone. I'm not only defending kobe when i bash shaq, i'm defending mitch, jerry and jim buss and everyone in the laker organisation.So really, i don't care if someone says i worship kobe. Or i'm riding him. Or crap like this. What i've been trying to do is dispell the fall stories that are prevelant among nba fans. The myths. The lies. You cannot compare being a laker fan and a sixer fan because everywhere you go, forums, real life you face these lies. So i do my best to prove them to be wrong. And this is what fans on forums do, we just do it more because our players/teams recieve the brunt of the criticsms.edit: Now, do not mistaken me. I'm not saying kobe is innocent of everything, he was a major reason why the dynasty is finished. But i don't agree when people come up with crap that he can't take a back seat and has to be the star.edit: There's no such things as kobe fans on this board, were laker fans. Kobe is the only person who cares about our team. He's the only guy remaining from the bling dynasty. He's trying his hardest to get the team back to the top so it seems were attached. And we are. For good reasons. Sixer fans don't feel like this becaue Ai doesn't care about practice. 2 seasons ago, kobe started his training 1 day after the season eneded. Ai is no kobe, the guy doesn't take practice seriously.Why? In the pursuit of bring us ontop again. And that has gaiend my respect and this is why i barely critcise kobe.
I'm not saying that it is only you (or even that it is you) who acts like this, or that the entire group of Laker/Kobe fans on this board act like that... but the majority of them out there on message boards act like that. Yes, there are some on on this board... and then there are some truly knowledgable Laker fans as well who are not blinded by Kobe.Also, AI does care about practice now, but back before the end of the 2000 season he didn't, I agree. Even if he doesn't care about practice, I still did not have that big of a problem with it because he gave 150% effort in games. Now, if he was one of those players who didn't care about practice, and didn't give his all in games, then...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Aug 13 2006, 01:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did you even watch the old lakers? 2000 playoffs, kobe buys into team concept, plays some great teamball whilst saving shaq's ass in game 4. We win. 2001, kobe's a big ball hog early on. Gets injured, returns and buys into team concept. 15-1 happens. 2002, kobe still buys into team concept and sits back whilst shaq destroys arron williams and todd mcolluagh. 3 peat.Why did it change? Well yeh, kobe became more selfish but do we remember shaq saying " i got injured on company time, will get surgery on company time". Phil tells kobe to take the lead, kobe starts trying to do everything and we lose. Shaq comes back and his team. Again in 04, phil tells kobe to take over because shaq is overweight and unfit. Then the infighting begins and there's the dynasty gone. So please, don't tell me kobe was the only selfish guy. I have never seen a more selfish act than Shaq saying "i'm getting surgery in company time". Who on earth does that as the leader of the team?You know what i'm sick and tired of? People still buying into that sh*t that kobe was the only selfish one. I see the guy who gets fat and lazy and then has surgery on company time as selfish. I see kobe as being selfish also but atleast he didn't pull of sh*t like that.</div>I didn't hate Kobe until around 03 or 04. The young Kobe with the fro was actually a favorite of mine. Also did you read anything I posted?-Kobe is a ball hog. The number one ball hog in the NBA. His horrible shots are one reason oon why the Lakers lost he 04 Finals. -Snitching on a teammate whether it was true or not. Also why is Shaq in this? This is about KOBE, NOT SHAQ. Dayum you just need every chance you can to hate on Shaq. Sad.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Diesel, I'm sorry but you're absolutely wrong. 100 percent. Kobe never thought he was the next MJ, of course he likes to emulate his game, but no one is the next MJ. And Kobe realizes that. He even said in a SLAM magazine that he wishes the MJ comparisons would go away. And Kobe having a piss-poor attitude? Typical, another Shaq fan.. rolleyes.gif</div>Kobe runs up the court like MJ, back pedal like MJ. Has that gay thing he does with his tongue that MJ did, arguably dunks like him. Tries to talk like him. It just pisses me off. Of course hes going to say that in an interview. He is 100% phony in an interview. Another reason I respect guys like AI and Shaq who keep it real. Alll you can do is look at who my favorite player is and make assumptions. No matter who my favorite player is I cannot stand Kobe Bryant. Also Shaq has brought 3 different teams to the Finals. Before Shaq Orlando was never in the Finals. After Shaq they have never gotten past the first round. LA was never a serious contender since the Magic era(I'm not talking about 95 when he came back for half a year either). With Shaq three championships. After Shaq? Yet to get past the first round. Miami before Shaq no Finals apperences. 2nd year with Shaq and they've already accomplished a championship.The thingi s Shaq is a winner everywhere he goes. One of the true winners in this sport along with guys like Cassell, Duncan, etc.
DIESELso u can't stand kobe, dats normal............i used to hate jordan too..........as long as u admit that he's the best all around player right now, then there's nothing wrong with u hating KOBE.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Diesel @ Aug 13 2006, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also Shaq has brought 3 different teams to the Finals. Before Shaq Orlando was never in the Finals. After Shaq they have never gotten past the first round. LA was never a serious contender since the Magic era(I'm not talking about 95 when he came back for half a year either). With Shaq three championships. After Shaq? Yet to get past the first round. Miami before Shaq no Finals apperences. 2nd year with Shaq and they've already accomplished a championship.</div>Cum hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy (to some extent). :winkglasses:
<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">You're right there is nothing wrong with hating kobe bryant. That's why this thread is about being sick of the Kobe haters. It would be okay with me as long as people have new reasons to hate Kobe, but now it's very repetitive and a waste of a basketball conversation. So you can hate Kobe, just don't say it because that has worn out it's welcome (as far as i'm concerned)</span>
Everyone who hates on Kobe, is just jealous of his skill and the power he posseses (SP) on and off the court. The way he is an icon, Jordan had haters too during his time, now that he is gone everyone loves him. Kobe will do the same. In 3 years LeBron will have the same amount of haters on him and evne more dick riders than kobe has now... its just part of being an Icon.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Also Shaq has brought 3 different teams to the Finals. Before Shaq Orlando was never in the Finals. After Shaq they have never gotten past the first round. LA was never a serious contender since the Magic era(I'm not talking about 95 when he came back for half a year either). With Shaq three championships. After Shaq? Yet to get past the first round. Miami before Shaq no Finals apperences. 2nd year with Shaq and they've already accomplished a championship.</div>You are wrong. Shaq didn't make the Lakers Champions. Three years went by with Shaq in the lineup and NOTHING happend. The Lakers changed when Phil Jackson joined the team. Shaq is far more arrogant that Kobe, Kobe has never asked for more money, he has never demanded to be traded after not getting what he wanted and he never EVER took games off. Shaq may be a great player, but for all his talents he is still a prima donna, and he gets far more credit than he deserves. From the very day he joined the Lakers, Kobe only tried to be the best player he could be that's it. He never claimed to be better than or equal to Michael Jordan, that is something you guys created. You don't have to like Kobe, but mindless hatred is just dumb.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lakersfoelyfe @ Aug 13 2006, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> DIESELso u can't stand kobe, dats normal............i used to hate jordan too..........as long as u admit that he's the best all around player right now, then there's nothing wrong with u hating KOBE.</div>Kobe was the best player in the league last year INDIVIDUALLY. I don't hate him because he's the best. I never hated Jordan. As a lad I loved Micheal Jordan. Read his picture book biographies, watched the Bulls(never knew any of their names other than Micheal Jordan). Kobe just has this aura around him that makes you want to hate him. I don't see how anyone could have him as their favorite player. I look for more than skills in a guy. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You are wrong. Shaq didn't make the Lakers Champions. Three years went by with Shaq in the lineup and NOTHING happend. The Lakers changed when Phil Jackson joined the team.Shaq is far more arrogant that Kobe, Kobe has never asked for more money, he has never demanded to be traded after not getting what he wanted and he never EVER took games off. Shaq may be a great player, but for all his talents he is still a prima donna, and he gets far more credit than he deserves. From the very day he joined the Lakers, Kobe only tried to be the best player he could be that's it. He never claimed to be better than or equal to Michael Jordan, that is something you guys created. You don't have to like Kobe, but mindless hatred is just dumb.</div>2000 was the first year Shaq played more than 60 games as a Laker.(in 98-99 the lock-out season occured). I think that is a great reason for the Lakers dominance. Shaq was plauged by injuries his first two years with LA which resulted in a poor Seed without homecourt. Phil Jackson is the GOAT of coaches though so I see what your saying. Without him Kobe would've been watching the playoffs at home AGAIN. If Shaq stayed in LA Kobe would've bolted. BOLTED. Not requested to be traded. He would've just left you guys. Because he wanted to be the unquestioned best player on the team.
Im getting pissed about this hating too.You wanna talk about how shaqs been to the finals look at the teams he .look at the supporting cast. On the Lakers he had a clucth player Robert Horry, he another option KOBE bRyant you think the Lkaers would have 3 title without Kobe come on. Now look at the team he just won a championship with,Jason Williams(better than Fisher),Wade(close to Kobe,Antoine Walker(almost like horry big men shooting, but wasnt as clucth as him),Haslem (was way more better then Samaki Walker). Then you look at his bench gary payton can name 15 teams that could have had a starting PG as him,Jaames Posey a nasty shooter and a solid defender(alot more better than Fox). Zo on the bench a solid role player. he has the better team than the lakers back in 2000-2003
