The "Making Playoffs Means Mediocrity" Myth

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  1. KingSpeed

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    MM and some others will have you believe that if we make the playoffs and get eliminated by the Thunder in the first round, we'll be stuck in mediocrity and it would be better to get the 12th pick in a weak draft. But the TRUTH is that getting knocked out of the first round is often the first step towards greatness. The 2011 NBA Champs both got knocked out of the first round the year before they won the title. The 2008 Lakers reached the NBA Finals one year after losing in first round (EDIT). And the Thunder got knocked out of the first round two years before reaching the Finals.

    If our team is good enough to compete for a playoff spot, and I believe the core is, we should be encouraging that and if a player like Kenyon Martin or Nate Robinson helps make the achievement of Lillard reaching the playoffs in his rookie year, we should be all for it. Look at Derrick Rose. His team reached the playoffs his first year and got knocked out in the first round. That was GREAT experience for him. Exactly two years later, he won MVP and reached the ECF. His team got the #1 seed again the following year.

    Look, barring major injuries, our team is too talented to finish with 20-30 wins and compete for the #1 pick. We're gonna win at least 38 so the pick won't matter. Let's get Lillard and company into the playoffs and see how far they can go. You never know, maybe Durant gets hurt and we reach the second round like Philly did last year. It would be great experience for our guys. Then we sign some free agents and go for a longer run (WCF?) in 2014.

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    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Um....the 2009 champs were in the finals in 2008.

    Learn the game then post
     
  3. Mediocre Man

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    Looking at Derrick Rose is perfect.

    Rose was the 1ST PICK in the draft

    In a weak eastern conference, they made the playoffs his first and second year

    Then signed a top tier FA in Carlos Boozer and went to the ECF

    Also in 2007, they were bad enough to draft Joakim Noah

    So before they were real competitors, they had Rose, Noah and Boozer


    You have to be bad before you can be good
     
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    A couple of interesting questions out of that, MM2.0: we seem to have (from the last time we were bad), our Boozer (LMA) and half of a Noah (Batum). We currently have on a one year deal the other half of a Noah (JJ). Lillard should have been the number 2 pick in the draft, so he's our Rose. Granted, our setup is classic "poor man's version" material, but I like LMA vs Boozer, and JJcola Hicktum vs Noah. Lillard's ceiling is very likely much lower than Rose's but you never know; he's the type to tell ceilings to fuck off and get out of his way.

    In short, we were bad before we got good, then bad again, and now we could be good if we get a bench. And a defensive coach. And a good ROI on Leonard. But we don't need more rookies (lord God no more five-rookie summers!), and we don't need (necessarily) a Home Run FA. We just need to play hard and get better to the point where our specific needs become more obvious (e.g., what kind of bench player, or which player to target).
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I think we're getting ready for a jump, but this summer will be crucial.

    How will we spend our money?

    Will we make any trades?

    Will we keep our pick or will it go to Charlotte?
     
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    If we make the playoffs, fine. I think the line of thinking is that we are so devoid of quantity of talented players that to have a lottery pick is a much better way than overpaying vets to upgrade the quantity of talented players. To be sure we have to add 3 to 5 players better than what we have coming off the bench now. Maybe we can get 3 free agents, but if we added a top notch draft pick it makes the Free agent search easier.

    So long as the vets were adding are good enough to help bring along the lesser and younger players, fine. But to add any vets that are cancers (and I'm not saying the two you mention are) is counterproductive. So be careful what you wish for.

    Look, I know weed is now legal in Washington, but not LSD. This is a team destined for no more than 36 wins. Can we get to the 38 you mention? Maybe. But if so, that would be one hell of a season.
     
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    I think this is in the correct order of importance. The pick is practically meaningless unless we get the first pick, which just isn't happening.
     
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    I don't want to be misunderstood here. I don't think we are that far away, at all. We just aren't there yet. Also, don't forget that team went from Vinny D to Tom T. Their defensive rating went from 108.7 to 105.3 under Vinny to 100.3 under Tom
     
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    I think a lot of people are undervaluing this drafts top 10. Portland will more than likely end up there, and should be able to land a very good player.

    There seems to be 3 players in this draft that are consensus top 3 in Shabazz, Noel and Zeller. Gobert and Len seem to be in the next tier. Then you have guys like Poythress, McAdoo, Goodwin, McLemore, Smart, Porter, Robinson. All of those players are better than anyone we have on our bench right now
     
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    I'm hoping they draft BPA because right now we don't have a lot of holes. I'm hoping we can fill a need at shooting guard through free agency. Reddick would be ideal to me. I want a bomber from deep. Someone who is lights out that Lillard can kick to. Either that or go after Pekovic.
     
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    fwiw noah was drafted at #10 i believe, prolly about where the blazers will be

    and eventually, god willing...the team might get better.... its not something to fear
     
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    9th actually, but yes, right in that area
     
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    Every once and a while you surprise Kingspeed! Solid post, prospective is everything. Repped.
     
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    Except it's completely wrong in every way
     
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    Actually history backs "my perspective" up pretty well
     
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    At some point we will all have to agree to disagree on this subject. No matter how many ways we look at it, there is no proven right way. There are many example of losing and never winning the big prize and there are examples of perennial lottery teams getting to the conference championships with the right pick.

    The Blazers have been to the conference championship 4 times since 1990. Little of which was from being in the lottery.

    Golden State, the Clippers, Memphis, Toronto, Milwaukee, Washington, have yet to be that lucky. The Clippers may this year, but it was a trade that bailed them out.
     
  18. BLAZER PROPHET

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    That's beside the point. We're trying to build his self esteem.
     
  19. BLAZER PROPHET

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    I disagree.
     
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    This. There are waay too many ever changing variables to be one correct way, or to even "know" the right path. That's why having a competent and creative GM is so important, especially for a small market team.
     
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