THE "OFFICIAL" AROUND THE NBA 2012-13 THREAD...........

Felton? He's only missed two games so far, and they're 1-1 in that stretch, barely beat the Phoenix Suns and lost to the Sacramento fuckin Kings. You realize that hurts your point, right?

Shumpert? Have you ever watched Shumpert play? Giving Shumpert the reigns of the team is like giving a mentally challenged kid the keys to a sports car. I can't think of a starting point guard in the league who's more of a detriment to their franchise than Shumpert.

As for the record, you do realize that teams play teams from their conference roughly twice as much as they play teams from the opposing conference, right? If the Knicks played out West, they would not have the record that they have in the East.

I can't believe I even had to explain that one to you...

What the fuck does it matter what ESPN Magazine projected anyone?

How about starting by actually addressing the way the teams play instead of just quoting records like a stat geek.

Do you have anything to say other than "Knicks are awesome!" and "Nuggets are trash!" without backing any of that shit up?

 

Rasheed, Felton, and Melo all missed the game against the Kings. And yet, they rallied from a 27 point deficit and almost won the game. If they were healthy, they win easy and they're 22-8. That PROVES my point.

During Linsanity, it was Shumpert who locked up the opposing PG and they ran off like 7 or 8 wins in a row. He can also hit the long ball.

How many Western teams have had to play the defending champs twice this season? And how many of them blew out the defending champions both times? I rest my case.

YOU were the one who said analysts don't think of Denver of as big of a threat as you believe they are. I pointed to ESPN Magazine as one of MANY analysts who picked Denver to finish higher than they are.

YOU were the one who said the Nuggets were three games over .500, Mr stat Geek! You were ALL OVER the stats. 22 games on the road, 9-1 at home, blah blah blah. PLEASE learn the game before posting.

I had a lot to say. And it was all 100% TRUE.

 

More knowledge about Shumpert: 9.5 ppg, 3.2 rpg, and 2.8 apg in rookie year. He was also a +9. No bad at all. The Knicks and their fans can't wait to have him come back.

 

31-day months are awful when you have a 30-day prescription...

 

No, your point was that they had this great record despite injury problems, whereas they were clearly only down two injured players this year who were both detriments to the team - Shumpert and Stoudemire, whereas Felton has only missed the past two games, and they've looked like clowns without him.

Shumpert is erratic. He's not built to be an NBA point guard, at least at this point. His decision making is laughable, and I'm not just talking about his poor FG% and turnovers. I'm saying that he even plays worse than those statistics, if you'd actually watch him play.

You have to be a complete idiot to think that the Western teams don't have a harder grind than the Knicks.

Beating the Miami heat twice is grounds for being a great team?

How about this...

The Grizzlies blew out the Knicks, they blew out the Heat, they blew out the Lakers, they blew out the Thunder in OKC, they have a better record, they play in the West, yet the Knicks still receive ten times the national media attention.

Not to mention, to the original point, that the Knicks' Heat wins really don't mean much when they're not facing the type of schedule the Nuggets have faced. You've still yet to address that one.

The holes in your logic are gaping kid. So because ESPN Magazine (not ESPN, but "ESPN Magazine") made some bold prediction about the Nuggets to attract readership, that means that most analysts were high on Denver? That's not the case at all. In fact, J.A. Adande, who writes for ESPN Magazine, was embarrassed by that projection. The reality is that most analysts did not expect them do be doing as well as they are (and will eventually be) doing.

When I reference stats, it's because it's something that's applicable to what's going on, and they're pertinent to the discussion. I don't just say stupid things like "THIS TEAM HAD A BETTER RECORD THAN THAT TEAM!" ... I bring in specifics. "Stat Geek" may have been a misuse of words... maybe "fantasy basketball geek?" Stats geek is too complimentary for someone who doesn't understand the statistics involved.

And by the way, cut out the "learn the game," bullshit. You're trying to be a flamer, and it ain't working.

You failed to address any of my real points. You failed to talk about either teams style of play. You also failed to think big picture. Overall, you failed to say anything.

 

Blah blah blah. Now you're not even reading correctly. I was never talking about injuries to Shumpert or Amare. I was talking about injuries to the team they started the season with. Melo has missed a bunch of games, as had Sheed, and losing Felton for a couple games hurt as well. I was never talking about Amare or Shumpert. Read post #1280. Read it slowly so that you clearly understand what was posted.

No analyst picked Denver to be so low in the standings. Find me an NBA preview that picked Denver to be the 7th seed or worse. Go ahead. Check with J.A. Adande and get back to me. You'll be disappointed.

You claim to bring in specifics but your specifics are wrong. The Nuggets aren't three games over .500 and you saying it so won't make it happen.

Is beating the Heat signs of being a good team? Maybe not once. But when you do it TWICE and they are blowouts, it's time to take notice. The Knicks are one of the feel good stories of the year. If you actually watch their games, you'd know they play for each other in such an unselfish way. They love each other and they are having fun. I haven't seen a team have this much fun in a long time. And their good spirit is paying dividends. They have risen from the 8 seed last year to the 2 seed right now. Tyson Chandler is playing out of his mind. And Jason Kidd makes them better in so many ways that don't show up on the box score. They are essentially a better version of the 2011 NBA Champions. Both team's had Kidd at PG and Chandler at C,. Melo replaces Dirk. And then the Knicks have more depth when healthy. Again, I'm not talking about Amare/Shumpert. I'm talking about Sheed who was GREAT for them when he played.

 

repped

 

Also, when did I ever say Memphis was a bad team? I know they blew out all those teams and I think they're great. I look for them to sweep whomever they play in the first round. Would be great if it were somehow the Lakers.

 

Whatever

 

Look, I'm done with this, because it's been dragged out to such minutia as me saying the Nuggets were three games over .500 instead of two (holy shit!)...

I could debate the ancillary points of our diatribes and get into the semantics of our posts, but that's counter-productive. Rather, I'm just going to restate the original points, so our back-and-forth doesn't completely hijack the "Around the NBA" thread....

- The Nuggets are a legitimate contender and create match-up problem for the likely #2-4 seeds. Their height and rebounding creates match-up issues for the best teams in the West.
- The Nuggets have had the toughest schedule in the NBA thus far, and their record (and especially not one particular loss) can not be taken for a measure of their ability.
- The New York Knicks are not as good as their current record, and factors that include J.R. Smith, their age, Amare Stoudemire, etc. will eventually bring them down to reality. "Reality" might mean 2nd or 3rd place in the East, but the Knicks wouldn't have home court advantage, in my opinion, if they played an 82 game season out West.

Those were my points. I'm tired of arguing the petty bullshit, as I'm sure you are. Happy New Years to you all...

 

Why the #2 seed and not the #1 seed? There's not that big of a difference, is there? Who is this #1 seed you think they can't beat?

Yes, but they are vets who should understand how to win on the road, especially if theyre going to upset your #2-4 seed. The Blazers had to work 5 people who had never played in the NBA before into the rotation while playing 12 of their first 19 on the road. That seems a lot more challenging to me and yet, they have a 15-14 record, one less loss than the experienced Nuggets.

You make no sense. They are currently in 2nd place. How can they be brought down to 2nd place? I personally think they're better than the record because Melo has been out a lot. I've seen them play on TV and in person and I think they could win it all this year. Heat fans must be somewhat concerned.

happy new year

 

Oh and no, I'm not tired of arguing the petty bullshit.

 

Kingspeed this stuff is priceless. Bat shit crazy but awesome.

 

Thank you

 

5 minutes left in the Orl/Miami game and the Magic's rookie Voolachiasouich or whatever his name is has 25 REBOUNDS!

 

They got a gem in Vucevic.

Considering Dwight's back injury and the severe nerve damage (I'd put money on that he'll never be the same player) the Magic made out just fine.

 

19 pts 27 rebs

o0

 

20 pts 28 rebs.

Beastly.