The Legacy you leave...

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  1. Ghost Pepper

    Ghost Pepper Active Member

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    Chip Kelly may or may not split for the NFL at seasons end as many have speculated but more importantly will be how he leaves, and how he's remembered in Oregon! With NCAA violations on the horizons will Chip pull a Pete Carroll and avoid sanctions and potential bowl bans for an NFL bottom feeding team? Essentially cutting bait while he can and his stock is still high.

    I'm going to take the Oregon way of looking at this and say without the DUCKS, Chip Kelly is an offensive coordinator in the north east for some non D-1 school right now. Oregon gave him the national stage to be this sought after by the NFL. There are a ton of great offensive minds coaching high school ball all over this country don't ya know!

    Chip preaches win the day but clearly cut corners to win the day with his "sole" dealings with that street corner con man "Slick Willie Lyles". Chip also preaches that he'd do anything for his players, well.... let's see if that's true!

    Chip got his team into this mess with Lyles and now puts an amazing talented Duck team next year "2013" in jeopardy for NCAA sanctions. A man of class and character cleans up his own messes, and doesn't run away and leave 20 year old kids to front line his mistakes!

    If Chip splits, leaving us with an underwhelming recruiting class, NCAA sanctions and players looking elsewhere, his legacy in my eyes will be clear. He broke the rules, used Oregon as a stepping stone job and now leaves Oregon picking up his pieces, that doesn't seem to classy to me!

    I for one hope I'm wrong and Chip stands his ground, does right by Oregon and wins a couple national championships here before he heads to the pros. It would be nice to see a coach do the right thing not the easy thing for once!

    As for the NFL Chip, if you're that good of a coach they'll be there every year trying to lure you in. Clean up your messes first and leave the team that made you a house hold name a national power for years to come!

    Guess we'll know soon enough either way......
     
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    Wait...

    Oregon made Chip a "household name"? A school with 1 BCS bowl game prior to Chip becoming HC that is now on its 4th straight "made" Chip?

    I think you have it backward. Oregon was a Top 25 program fairly consistently prior to Chip's arrival, but since he took over the head job, Oregon is now an elite team and a national brand. Chip owes Oregon nothing, and any fan who gets mad at him for leaving isn't being realistic, IMO.
     
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    Ive been seeing this a lot lately.... Oregon fans already turning on chip.

    i agree with everything papag said......

    If chip fails in the nfl the guy can go anywhere in college football
     
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    If Oregon receives sanctions Chip will be fired anyways per his, and almost every college coach, contract.
     
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    Wheels Is That A Challenge?!?!1! Staff Member Global Moderator

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    fired if sanctions are minor? I wouldnt go that far.
     
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    I think since Oregon cooperated, they will only get a 1 year scholarship hit, no need for a Bowl Ban.

    What type of violation is needed for a bowl ban
     
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    If someone I respect has something new to say, I weigh their opinion against what I know/suspect and maybe come up with a new perspective. If the lady on the corner with a potted plant on top of her head yelling about the sky falling is back on her normal corner on Tuesday the 1st yelling about the sky falling but this time with french fries stuffed up her nose, do you think I'm any more worried about the sky falling?

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    Chip didn't go to 4 BCS bowls, his players did! The only BCS win didn't come from Chip huffing and puffing down the field, it came from a 5* recruit doing what came naturally to him on a kick off! Not a play Chip drew up! SO let's get that straight.

    Chip was the one who dealt solely with Slick Willy and if the NCAA decides to make an example out of Oregon because they're to toothless to go after the real cash offenders like Bama, LSU and Texas, many of you will be singing a much different tune come bowl ban!

    Where is the responsibility that Chip holds in this NCAA investigation? Why aren't any of you calling him out for lying and paying off a street agent who provided Oregon with nothing tangible to fight in court with as a paper trail to his services?

    btw- do you think if Chip comes back to Oregon and wins a national championship with the kind of offensive weapons that he'll have next year the NFL wont be after him just as much if not more?

    If he splits to a crappy NFL team like the Eagles, Browns or Bills he's doing it not because he expects success in his first years there but to avoid dealing with what he created in Eugene and a potential blemish to his arrogant resume! The teams that are interviewing Chip will take 3 years minimum to turn around if they're lucky!!! In Eugene he'll be bringing back in my eyes the best QB, and a field full of offensive weapons that most Pac-12 schools would kill for. So can a NFL gig where come mid season every analyst will be saying "see we told ya a spread couldn't work at this level" be worth not getting a national championship, with a Heisman level QB who's only a sophomore and also having complete control over that program to boot? You then might want to ask yourself being that Chip is such a goal oriented kind of coach how he could leave the ultimate college football prize on some other coaches shelf? I know I'm a competitor and that would eat at me, how about you?

    On a side note, I'd argue Uncle Phil had as much to do with Oregon's rise to a national brand as Chip ever could!

    This is not me turning on Chip Kelly "the coach", I think he's a great coach but CHARACTER isn't X's and O's now is it?

    If I made this mess, I'd WIN THE DAY and stand by my Team! Chip should also remember that Pete Carroll, Barry Switzer and Jimmy Johnson the only college coaches to ever win a Super Bowl ring in the last 40 years had 1 thing in common. Before they got to the NFL, they had all won national championships on the college level! How many has Chip won?
     
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    A lot of anger towards Chip Kelley seems to be a lot like last year when it was rumored he accepted Tampa Bays offer. I was one last year that was very upset when I heard about him leaving so abruptly. I thought he owed this team another shot and after him coming back and the media constantly talking about this issue iv come to not care if he leaves or not.
    The reason i dont care is because i dont think he is pulling a Pete Caroll. sanctions are coming but I dont think its a bowl ban. I also think the program is setup so well that his replacement can come in and do just as good of a job.
    Chip also isnt leaving for just any team. He wants control of the team much like mr cheater in new England and Reid had in Philly.

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    The Colts went from 2 wins last year to 11 this year. Andrew Luck is one reason, but there were several other roster moves that resulted is a vastly different team.

    The Vikings went from 3 wins last year to 10 this year. Yes, AD had an amazing year yardage-wise, but he only scored 12 touchdowns; they won primarily due to an improved defense.

    Point being, quick improvements aren't all that unusual in the NFL, and it's disingenuous to intimate that teams that are bad this year can't be good next year.

    Except for Cleveland--they're just terrible...

    Interesting--I don't recall the Seahawks winning the Super Bowl. How did I miss that?
     
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    You are correct, it came to me a couple hours later that I don't remember Carroll winning a super bowl either.

    Johnson and Switzer have been the only two in my lifetime that have won on both levels, and have come from a college background first. It's very hard to do!

    I think Chip will need the hardware to have pro players ears the way he does his players in Oregon.
     
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    That Bill Walsh guy who had an innovative approach to offense didn't do too bad in the NFL, either.
     
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    To be fair, Walsh had 11 years of NFL assistant coaching experience before his 2 years at Stanford, so he wasn't really a "college guy" like Chip is, or like Johnson and Switzer were.
     
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    OK, OK, but he DID coach in college, and was an innovator on offense!
     
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    I would say contrast that with coaches like Saban, Spurrier, Davis, Erickson, Brooks, Petrino who were quickly in and out of the NFL. It's a tough transition!
     
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    a couple days later in this thread it came to you that Pete was a HC for the Jets and Patriots prior to his USC gig

    :google:

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    Yes, but even those facts aren't analogous with Kelly, since he actually developed his offense in the NFL, as an assistant with the Bengals in the '70s. Kelly's innovations were developed on the college level. Significant difference.
     
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    No troll it came to me that Pete had never won a NFL championship as a head coach where Switzer and Johnson had......
     
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    great now someone has to explain to you what trolling is. Good luck to that poor soul

    here's the statement that I was responding to...

    before Pete had ever been a head coach in college, he'd been an NFL head coach for two different franchises. It's just another messed up part of this silly rant.

    Besides, its looking like he's staying

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