Yes I know that Pete bombed out in the pros before going to USC, but he was in college before that as well. Regardless, only two coaches have come directly from college winning national championships, to the pros in the last 30+ years and been SUPER BOWL winning successful Switzer and Johnson. Most think Switzer road on Johnson's coattails for that however! Anyway, if Carroll wins this year that may make 3, but in Carroll's case there will be an asterisk. BTW- Is it possible Stomp that in a two year period you could ever write one thing about the Ducks that isn't attacking someone else's thoughts or regurgitating some recruiting sites info? Dare to dream you could be better than just a parasite! Big dreams I know for you, but something tells me you could come up with one original post a year!
I do that all the time silly. Heres a couple from the weekend http://sportstwo.com/threads/227474-Thanks-Seniors?p=2925465#post2925465 http://sportstwo.com/threads/206792-2013-FOOTBALL-Commits-and-Recruiting-News?p=2924454#post2924454 I've regularly given my opinion on all sorts of Duck topics including weighing in that Kelly was likely to come back. You're just mad which I'm beginning to think is how you deal with the world. It's everyone else's fault for pointing out the fail in your posts so it's only logically that you should call them names STOMP
Chip left his legacy! Pete Carroll is that you? Nothing else to say! OOOOO "STOMP" where's that big mouth of yours now? Twins have opened up their search, Dontre has too with ND and OSU and Chip split leaving us facing sanctions.....What did I get wrong here from my initial post? OOOO yes.... NOTHING!!!!! Don't blame the messenger for the obvious message!!!
Your "message" was full of anger and vitriol, and (as you said in your second paragraph) took what you see as "the Oregon perspective". I (also from Oregon) have a different perspective. Surely you know the old line about opinions... I think it's ludicrous to think that Bellotti, or any other coach available to UO when Bellotti left, would have had anywhere close to the same level of success in the past four years that Chip did. Quite simply, his leadership elevated the program to heights it has never seen prior, and for that, I thank him. If we see a precipitous drop-off after his departure, then that will even further cement for me the importance of his presence during his time here. If we remain a successful program, then all the hand-wringing about his leaving will have been for naught. Either way, we enjoyed an unprecedented and unequaled 4-year run with Kelly at the helm, and it seems to me that it would be better to appreciate the good times than to focus on the negative. [video=youtube;k7FRbeaXjvk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7FRbeaXjvk[/video]
I don't think leaving a program facing NCAA violations that you "solely" created two weeks before national signing day is an act of a honorable coach! Further he backed doored the Eagles using Oregon as his leverage. Meanwhile he was lying to recruits knowing he was splitting. I.E. " Nico Falah".... I've been saying for a year now that our recruiting needs to be better, strike that...... We need a coach that's not spending his free time trying to find a way into the NFL! Chip's timing couldn't have been worse for this decision! Now I know everyone is saying what they need to say to be politically correct, but the reality is, Chip screwed Oregon on the way out HUGE! How big of an ego do you need to have to leave an offense with Mariota, DAT, Colt, Huff and Tyner coming in for a job you'll be lucky to go 500 with next year? You're passing on a national championship team for a city that will chew you up and spit you out whole even when you win! Chip has never been about Oregon, he's been about Chip, and Oregon marketed his rise! There's a big difference there! For two of the four years as head coach he's been flirting with the NFL. We all know that and so do the recruits and this year it really smacked us in the bills! So I appreciate your opinion PtldPlatypus, and your thoughts make a lot of sense. At the same time I'm not so easy to let a guy off the hook who said 'he knew the Philly job was the one he wanted" then came back to Oregon and told the AD he was back. Then Chip BS'd recruits and left OUR team in a recruiting mess! I'm ready for a coach that wants to make Oregon a foundation piece in college football, not make himself the hottest commodity at the Ducks expense!
I don't really see how he used Oregon as leverage. He didn't like the offer from the Eagles so he declined, the Eagles then went and interviewed a ton of other people and couldn't find one they liked so they upped Chips offer to probably everything he asked for in there first interview. I don't think he declined the Eagles offer then came back assuming they would make him another offer, I think he came back with the intent to try for the NFL again next season. The Eagles then gave him what he wanted(which I assume is pretty much total control over the team and all roster moves much like Andy Reid had before him) after they couldn't find a coach they liked more. Shit like that happens, it sucks he came back said he was back and then left, thats the reason i'm pissed personally. Just one last thing, the "He knew the philly job was the one he wanted" is of course what he would say. Its like a RFA saying "please don't match my offer sheet because my heart belongs with the place the offered me the large contract". Its all BS for the media. Chip was going to go to any NFL team that offered him complete control (which very rarely happens) and as for the Eagles being a bad team, yea they have a bad record but they were the only team in the NFL I didn't want him to go to because they have a roster perfectly suited for him. The Eagles will be fighting for that division title next year. I'm curious to how you will feel about this is if the NCAA sanctions turn out to be nothing but losing a handful of scholarships.
This would be the part of your post that I disagree with most strongly. I would suggest that Chip made himself the hottest commodity to the Ducks' benefit. You seem to be placing a lot of emphasis on the impact that Chip's departure may be having on this recruiting class, but don't you generally also intimate that winning should be the biggest draw to the program? If Chip is leaving a national-championship-caliber roster in the hands of highly capable assistants, shouldn't the winning (and consequently improved recruiting) continue even after his departure? If so, then doesn't that mean that his 6 years here were a net positive? Also, while I understand your desire for "a coach that wants to make Oregon a foundation piece in college football," I'm more interested in having a coach who is capable of elevating the program in the way Kelly did. If we're lucky enough to get a guy who is both, great--but I guarantee you that Bobby Bowden is not walking through that door. Given the choice, I'd rather have Chip Kelly than Mike Riley.
Chip is a very smart cat! He knew that Phili didn't have a ton of strong coaching choices and Oregon gave him a safe haven till they called again. Have you guys seen the retreads that keep bouncing from NFL team to NFL team? Chip knew this and let Phili go through the usual suspects, offer the other Kelly who's not of Chips caliber and finally after that and knowing their fans want to win, called Kelly again! Very smart move on Chip Ahoy's part! It takes a certain kind of huge narcissistic ego to want to come in and fill the shoes of a legend to Phili like Reed! Chip has that ego! I would suggest that Chip hasn't been recruiting very hard and going after top prospects. He's blown off recruiting trips, not kept up with top committed recruits and so forth... Why we know this is non of the top 20 had Oregon in their top 5 except for Green..... Seems strange with our winning ways right? Some will say Chip wants guys to fit his system not just the 5* crowd.... Okay, except Chip knew all season long he was going to the pros.... so why would it matter? It also seems that every coach from Meyer to Saban, Kiffen to Spurrier knew Chips heart was in the NFL... that cost the Ducks huge in recruiting as you can clearly see know! If Hiflich can come in and win 90% of the games next year the Chip effect will soon be a distant memory and Oregon has the studs to run the race! That said.... we'll soon find out if Oregon is more Nike or Chip! It'll take a year to really know!
I just wanted to say how much I love coming to this board and reading all the threads. They always make me smile.
I would suggest that you've barely a clue what you're talking about, but thats been backed up by a multitude of fail posts. Remember when you insisted anyone could clearly tell that LSU's D was much bigger then Oregon's despite them never appearing side by side and the individuals being listed smaller as HS prospects, college players and then again at the NFL combine? Or when you claimed Arik should be credited for a sack on a play where the QB recorded a completion? You keep puffing out your chest claiming these great obvious insights and yet you don't even know basic stuff like how many players are on a full roster. Every day you throw out speculative nonsense dressed up as fact and various posters take turns at shooting you down. Then comes the angry name calling and the thrashing about and the rest of us have a laugh... thats what we clearly see. by the NCAA rules, Head Coaches are very limited in the contact (phone calls, personal visits) that they can have with recruits compared to positional coaches. Thats largely why we always see PSAs siting their relationships with positional coaches when they announce. So much of what you post is easily debunked BS. How is Leon McQuay not a top 20 prospect who had Oregon in his top 3? We've a keyhole view into what Oregon's secretive staff is doing in recruiting... making claims to knowing who CK is calling and additionally why or why not is crazy town. You bitch and whine about how terrible it is for him to leave with the recruiting commitment day approaching, but by his contract he wasn't allowed to speak to other potential employers until after Oregon's bowl game. If he was to leave, now is the appropriate time for the school and the PSAs. Classless would have been leaving after kids had made the biggest decision of their young lives. whats the over/under on wins for potential HC Helfrich before you learn his name? Regardless, Duck fans will never forget what Chip did for Oregon and how awesome this era has been... Rose Bowl win was off the charts for me. While there is some stiff competition, this might be the single dumbest thing you've ever posted STOMP
it's like cleaning up after an elephant who ate a pallet of laxatives. Via rivals following CK's Eagles announcement, Nico relayed that he asked Chip about him potentially leaving UO in his in home meeting last Monday night. He said that Kelly stated it was a possibility that it would happen this offseason but that he would be replaced by someone currently on his staff and that little would change. remind me who the liar is? STOMP
I understand why people are grateful to Chip - BUT - getting the program in hot water with the NCAA and then bailing is hardly something to brag about.
Perhaps I missed the part where anybody (Chip included) is "bragging about" that particular aspect of his tenure here. I believe the main thrust of those who are not Chip-bashing is that that part is relatively minor in comparison to the success, notoriety, and overall fun we've been able to enjoy as fans over the past 4 years. People choose to focus on what they want, I guess...
True. We'll see. However I bet most tOSU fans will say that they'd gladly take the Tressell era, even knowing the effect of the sanctions that would follow; and most USC fans were probably happy overall with Pete Carroll's tenure, despite the impact of their penalties. I doubt this Lyles thing will have a more severe effect on the Ducks.
to be fair, Bellotti started the relationship with Lyles years before Chip and WL pretty much fucked himself by not keeping up with NCAA rule changes regarding his profession. I'd also point out that most major media without an ax to grind predict this impending NCAA water to be tepid. How bad would a minor scholarship reduction hurt when they've typically been operating several under the max limit by choice? STOMP
Just so we are clear Stomp the only poster I've ever had issue with here is you! You're a self righteous ass bag and everyone on this board and the blazer board knows that! Let's be clear on that fact! You're far from a victim so don't act like a daisy when you get head hunted for being a know it all that seems to know very little! How's that Chip Kelly still being here theory working out for you? In a nut shell this is what I've said..... Chip's heart has been NFL based for years and his constant flirting with the NFL has been to the detriment of our recruiting. That's a fact!!! Where's the bumping my chest on that? FACT IS FACT! How many recruits do you need to see pass on the Ducks or decommit for that to sink in? Chips used Oregon as a stepping stone to the pros and had Nike and the Oregon fan base market his rise. Fact! He was a nobody in the NE before coming here! You think he'd be in the pros today if his first real head coaching job was in Kentucky? Tell me you're not that challenged? BTW- Chip might not have been talking to the pros via his contract, but his agent certainly was so the tracks were in place, so knock that BS off too! Another dumb Stomp statement, in fact ESPN was reporting his agent was in contact with Cleveland in December. I'm pretty sure that's a month before we played the Fiesta! You don't put your agent in play for years in a row if you're not looking! I have also said Chip "Pete Carrolled" us. Fact! He left this team facing NCAA investigations that he was solely responsible for and high tailed it to the pros! It wont effect his pay check now if we're are bowl banned for a year or lose five scholarships a year for two years! As for "inheriting" Lyles from Bellotti, you still know right from wrong and paying a guy without a paper trail for services and making handfuls of phone calls directly from your office to his and lying about it is on you! SO BS once again Stomp! As for my speculative nonsense, I suggest you reread the legacy you leave post. It looks like scripture now doesn't it! I'm done debating you. You don't even have the marbles to have an opinion unless it's ripping on somebody else's thoughts. Life in the cheap seats seems to be where you're most comfortable! BTW- when you routinely pick on a dyslexics spelling it might be important to know blow hard..... there's an ' in thats ......
I never said he was staying silly until 10 days ago when that was what was announced. I've repeatedly said we don't know what he's going to do because we barely know shit about him. That applies to most things Duck related. Unlike you, I'm not kidding myself that my guesses at reading the tea leaves are in fact reality. It's sad that you can't grasp this and continue to believe your own BS despite pretty much the whole board letting you in on the reality that you're full of it. Your insights are as real as Manti's GF the bumping of your chest is right here and every step along the way silly... how else do you think this reads? We have nothing but your obsessive imagination pointing to Chip constantly flirting with the NFL. Sure lots of speculative articles appeared following his one/single/only meeting with an NFL team last offseason, and apparently that sent your pretend time into overdrive. so you're telling us like every other big time coach, CK has an agent to handle his business away from the actual coaching right? So back in December when Cleveland fired their coach, they called this agent to express their interest in speaking with Chip when his season is over. Leave it to sherlock to connect the dots on this scandal that Chip's agent was actively answering the phone We know from the recruit's tweets interviews etc that since the regular season ended he's been flying all over the country and showing up in living rooms. There were zero reports of him spending any time pursuing a pro job. Again, thats your imagination good grief the hysteria of whats likely to be nothing. He's leaving a stocked team in great shape depth wise. The next coach is inheriting an incredible situation omg! bowl ban! loss of a couple scholarships! omg omg omg! Do you purposely ignore the facts that in the NCAA's proposed settlement they weren't seeking a bowl ban and that Oregon has been operating well under their scholarship limit every season under Kelly? like so many other things, it's apparently flown over your head that the NCAA rules regarding what constituted a recruiting service relationship changed midstream in the year in question. Prior to the change, phone calls were the accepted norm and the way Lyles had done business with Oregon and others for years. There had never been a paper trail prior but with the rule changes it was a new requirement of him to produce as a recruiting service. Get it? or is this another one of those bringing a horse to water scenarios? to be honest I move down to the expensive seats at halftime. I believe the I'm done bluster as much as the last few times you've said this. I'm going to continue to mock stupid statements regardless of who says them there is also an ' in dyslexics. I believe that you're dyslexic as they're known for creative thinking/imagination. But you're also just plain lazy. Dyslexics reverse the order of letters. Lazy people don't bother to look up names, facts, etc... dilutional blowhards start threads to share their repetitious speculative nonsense and tell you it's all fact. oh, and as I've relayed several times, I'm dyslexic STOMP
