I'm a bit confused by your scenario, but let me take a shot. If we don't renounce him, then we just maintain his cap hold until all of our other FA signings have been made. Otherwise, if we're just using it for an unbalanced trade, renouncing him or not doesn't make a difference---he's BYC (and practically untradeable in a S&T) unless we stay below the cap. Let's say cap is at 60M, we have the #12 pick and we don't renounce JJ. We would only have about 5.4M in cap space to sign FA's or make unbalanced trades. Once that was done, then we could offer JJ any contract up to a max, but for the trade purposes he's still a BYC player
But without hickson aren't we at 12 something millions? I think he's trying to say, you trade for a $12mil player, which we could use hickson and said other player. Maybe Babbitt with a sign and trade as well.
Oddly, in your Coon quote, you edited out the part right after previous team that says . That doesn't apply to us. We're fine to sign and trade him if we are under the cap.
Yeah, without Hickson in his scenario we're at around 12M. Whether JJ has the cap hold or we renounce him doesn't affect our ability to do a S&T. But in that scenario, since he's going to make more than 4.8M next year (a raise of >20%) we can't go over the cap--so it would have to be a 12M or less player, and to a team who meets all of the #88 requirements. For all intents and purposes, if we're planning on moving JJ, it might be more worth it to do it at the deadline--unless he (or the guy we're getting back) is the cog that helps us go far in the playoffs. you can't package a S&T player with anyone else.
I edited it because we aren't that team. We ARE fine to sign and trade him. What we can't do is sign and trade him and take back something that would make us go over the cap, which is kind of the point of bird rights.
Trading JJ at the dealing makes the most sense, but his value would be so low, I can't imagine what we would get back
Personally the more I think about it, the more I think hickson may agree to be traded to a competent team. The only thing he benefits is being able to be over cap. If the said player is on a team that is under cap, the. There is no real issue for him to get a 3 year over a 4 year contract. What is confusing me is can we sign and trade him before deadline? Doesn't seem like that is a possibility. I don't think a team would want to risk losing their player for hickson unless he is guaranteed somehow.
No, you can only extend a contract (say, like Melo) if it's a 4 year or greater contract to start. JJ's is a 1-year
And you can't negotiate or make a S&T during the season of play. Season must be finished for team who is making the trade (S&T player).
