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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    Let me get this straight. We want to trade our best rebounder and best inside scorer, and the guy who has brought a new energy to the team and shown Aldridge how to play in the paint?
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    Goal liver doesn't know shit.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    Yes, if it makes sense.

    Because in about 40 games he will be someone else's best inside scorer and rebounder, and we will either get jack squat for it or we can give up 30 games of that scoring and rebounding for another player who'll be here longer or some draft picks.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    If only there was a team like the Nets last year now when they traded for Crash. I'm looking at DAL/LAL/PHL (although neither LAL nor PHL have the cap space)

    Although it's probably the smart thing to do, Olshey will catch some serious shit if he trades away JJ for just a pick while we're in the playoff hunt.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    I don't think the "young talent" is as important as veteran size. If we got back a player in the late 20's that can rebound, defend and set good picks; we would be in good shape.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    Dallas maybe a good trade partner because they have a shot at Dwight Howard this summer.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    Hickson for Mayo and Bernard James clears 5M more off their cap this summer. And I like Jae Crowder (especially at 3 years/600k per) for a bench guy too.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    Mayo has a player option he's almost certain to waive. Believe James' deal isn't guaranteed for next season. So that specifically wouldn't help them.
    However, they definitely want to be players in free agency next season.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=co9gz6u

    They probably don't do it. However, it sheds Vince's 3 million off of their cap for next season, when every little bit helps.

    We get a little look at Beaubois, see if he can get back anything from his rookie year, where he looked like a find. Maybe playing alongside a fellow frenchmen helps? Maybe not. But we'd have his rights, maybe he intrigues as backup PG. Wright likewise probably does little longterm, but we get a look at him, still young, cheap, and at the least, he can block a shot or two for us. I think the move also improves our bench slightly this season. Vince isn't what he was, by any stretch, but he can still score a little off the bench for us, as can Beaubois and Wright, potentially. But basically, we get a short look at two people who could maybe possibly have some small future for us, versus 3 guys who very likely do not.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    bird rights matter if the team trading for him is over the cap
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    No, they matter if the team will be over the cap in July. Big difference. And yes, a team like NYK might not trade for him on a one-year rental that they know they can't buy in July.

    But as for JJ vetoing or not vetoing b/c of "Bird Rights", it's almost immaterial. He'll veto based on location or situation or whatever, but it's not b/c of "Bird Rights."
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    Shouldn't that be LaMarcus? :lol:
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    Not if we re-sign him, which we should. The guy is a beast, and just what we need. This recent winning streak is proof of that.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    so going back to the other thread, if you're planning on keeping him past this summer for whatever he'll sign for, then don't trade him. But you realize that best-case scenario you have 6M other dollars to spend this summer? And that's if we don't have a draft pick. JJ de facto becomes our "max free agent signing", b/c after his cap hold the only people we can sign are below the MLE. And barring big trades of LMA or Nic, that's the last time we'll have more than the MLE until LMA's contract expires.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    why I've been advocating for either trading him, if the right deal comes along, or, making a trade using our expiring contracts to try to find one of the holes we'd need to find, to a team looking to have cap space next year. With his cap hold close to 8, we have roughly MLE to use. So why not fill that cap space now, and then still have MLE to use. 2 for the price of one in a sense.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    that makes sense, except that they may be targeting someone (Redick? Evans? ??) who will command somewhere between the MLE and our cap threshold (12M-14M). If that's the case, you can't (for example) trade Babbitt, Hickson and Sasha for (just for grins and giggles) Brook Lopez's 13M contract and still have anything other than MLE this summer. Whereas if you just let everyone expire, you can either trade for that 12-14M player for a trade exception and a 2nd-rounder, or sign a FA to that contract outright, or break it up and sign a few players. If you trade for (say) Lopez right now, you give up that flexibility.

    I'm not saying one or the other is better, but the reasons for keeping JJ past the trade deadline are few.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    right, sorry, I meant if you plan to keep him around past this season.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    I have been talking about moving Hickson and signing one player for big money this summer for a while. But as I think about it, the bench is so thin, this team needs more than just one more player. The idea of keeping Hickson and signing the best player you can for 6M is starting to sound more appealing. You add the best three or four off the bench this year and you start developing a team that has a solid starting 5 and a bench that can be counted on.

    The trick is finding that gem for 6 million that will be an ideal 6th man or turn Hickson into a 6th man.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    I've mentioned this possibility before. Go after Jarrett Jack as a combo 1/2 bench player. That would keep Matthews in the starting lineup with Lillard and we would have a strong veteran presence coming off the bench as a 6th man.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    So you'd go forward with Lillard/Wes/Nic/LMA/Hickson (or Leonard) with Jack, Hickson (or Leonard), Freeland, Claver and who? Sasha, Ronnie, Babbitt, EWill, Nolan, are all gone. We probably won't have a 1st-round pick. We can sign the greek guys with the Room Exception, but after that we're looking at vet mins.

    We won't have cap space in summer of 2014. Summer of 2015 you have a shot b/c LMA and Wes come off the books and Lillard's extension doesn't impact cap until Summer 2016. I imagine in 2014 or 2015 we won't have a very high draft pick.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    sorry thats what i meant

    and veto decisions based on "location" would obviously involve that locations cap situation as of july 1st 2013
     
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