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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    No, I'd keep my options open. I'm open to trading any player on the team with the exception of Damian Lillard.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    Let's play a situation out. Let's say we want to trade him to the Knicks, and they want him. He has the ability to veto. But here's why "cap situation" doesn't matter, imo.

    If he's traded, he loses his Bird Rights. Fine. NYK can't go over the cap to resign him, so he's an unrestricted free agent in July and stuck at a max MLE offer if the Knicks want to keep him. He can of course accept whatever any other team will give him.
    But if he vetoes the trade, we're the only team that can go over the cap to resign him, and the only way to do that is if we don't renounce him. Otherwise, he's in the exact same situation...stuck at a max MLE from a team over the cap or whatever any team under the cap will give him. We can't even give him a big sign-and-trade to a team if we go over the cap next year, b/c he'll be BYC. ANd he can't be packaged with anyone else in a sign-and-trade.

    So basically, the only reason Bird Rights are an issue is if POR was going to sign him for over the cap hold (7.6M). That and the ~200k a year he'll give up in 4.5% raises instead of 7.5%
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso


    As a tax-paying club the Knicks wouldn't get the max-MLE correct? Don't they get the mini-MLE instead?
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    I agree for the most part. However, it also eliminates anyone over the cap from being a potential suitor, who might otherwise try to engage us in a S&T deal. They could look at that as a negative
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    sorry, you're right and I misspoke. I wasn't meaning difference between full non-taxper and mini. I was meaning the most they could offer was the maximum amount of their MLE available. Which as you said is mini-MLE if they're still paying tax over the "apron". They're right about on it right now. In fact, if they traded us Camby and Shumpert for JJ it would get them below the apron and allow them to use their non-taxpayer MLE.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    And if we do that, he's our "big free agent signing" and we're basically done improving the team in a significant way for a long time? Trade him.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    if you were an agent, why would you let him eliminate one of his potential landing spots? i could see if he was a minimum guy, but this might be his one chance to cash in, also 200k is 200k
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    That team sucks
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    The problem with a S&T is that they have to send back enough to make the trade work (if they're over the cap). If they send back someone who would put us over the cap, then he becomes BYC and we cannot make the trade work. If we've already signed any FA's, it's unlikely that we would be able to take back little enough to stay under the cap while getting JJ a contract bigger than the MLE. That's not to say it's impossible, but quite unlikely. If I did this full-time I could come up with a list of the exact teams and players for various salary thresholds.

    Basically, the perfect storm for why he would need bird rights is if we signed-and-traded him as our first move of the FA season (in effect, exchanging his cap hold for the salary of the player we're taking back) and then going after the 5-8M or so worth of FA's with the space we have left.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    not in a sign and trade, though.
    We're the only ones who can give him that extra 200k/yr
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    I wouldn't say "sucks"....I'd say we wouldn't be in the WCF anytime soon. But we wouldn't be a lotto team
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    Well there is no chance LA settles for a back up role and nor should he.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    I think that is what he means by 1 more potential landing spot (us).
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    So what exactly did Ben Golliver say? We MAYBE tying to trade JJ? Did he have any specifics? Not that I would expect him to be in the know. My gut tells me he knows as much as anyone on this message board. But I have to admit this thread was more interesting than the last 10 we have had on this topic.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    That is what you got out of that? I am assuming the poster means you would trade LMA (most likely for a Center and a key bench player) if you gave Hickson the starting PF slot.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    I could see Denver or Philadelphia as possible trading partners. Hickson for Koufos?
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    hickson sucks, who cares, there are 50 hicksons in the league
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    excellent contribution
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    Hickson is the king of popcorn stats ... and plays almost no defense. He hasn't taught Aldridge a fucking thing.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    The "mediocre middle" also known as "NBA purgatory" ... I'd say that sucks hardcore.
     
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