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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    with a scoring SG like Lillard Wes is a great complement, there are a lot of teams who would like to have him as a starter for his shooting, defense, and pure desire. Frankly I'd rather get a backup PG/SG like Jarret Jack and keep Wes. Unless you can come up with a better all around SG than Wes who is realistically "gettable"
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    Well said, rppd.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    Me too! I'm a huge fan of Wes. And I wasn't saying we should shop him. Just saying he's the most valuable contract we have right now.

    I want a center.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    we all do, hoping Meyers eventually develops, and there is more of a shortage them (C's) then anything so it won't be easy. And the ones who you might get are big risks like javale McGee, Lopez in New Orleans is playing very well this yr -I wonder if they would part with him and what the cost would be.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    The SG position has actually become one of the hardest positions (with Center) to fill in the NBA lately. If you deal Wes you probably try to get a SF (and/or Center) and then move Batum to SG because there are many more legit SF's that can play right now vs SGs.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    good point, though it seems several teams lack solid SF's as well, but it does offer flexibility of one could be had in a good deal
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    Moving batum to sg is not a good choice IMO. He is playmaking and if both guards are playmakers; it could ruin the flow.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    SG's top 10 by VA:
    Kobe
    Harden
    Wade
    Ginobili
    Mayo
    Louis Williams
    J.R. Smith
    Kevin Martin
    Dudley
    Jamal Crawford

    Big drop-off in SG after the top 3 or 4

    SF's by VA:
    Durant
    James
    Carmelo
    Pierce
    Batum
    Thaddeus Young
    Josh Smith
    Paul George
    Kirilenko
    Gallinari

    SF doesn't have as big or quick of a drop-off and the list after the top 10 is filled with some good young talent like Kid-Gilchrist, and Parsons (Deng just missed the top 10).

    If someone is asking VA is another term like PER that I believe Hollinger made up (or maybe he didn't make that one up but he uses it). I like it better than PER at times. It stands for Value Added and the formula is long so just look it up if you are interested.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    If you don't want to move Batum to SG then don't trade Matthews imo. Because SG's are that hard to find. Combo-guards to come off the bench on the other hand aren't too hard to find. Someone like Jack or Fredette.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    there is nothing of value except wes of what you specified
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    that's not entirely true. We can package Hickson, Sasha and Babbitt's expiring deals for ~10M in contracts back
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    Kosta Doufos?
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    I really don't want to trade Matthews. I really think his hard hat playing style is what we need at sg.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    Brian, you probably know this. Do we really have to put up with two more years of Jared Jeffries or is their some kind of loophole were we can get out of his contract after this year? I couldn't imagine we would have agreed to the deal with the Knicks if we have to carry him for 3 years.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    Per Storyteller's site (and I remember reading this as well), 2013-14 and 2014-15 are not guaranteed...none of my cap calculations for this summer have had his salary on the books.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    So couldn't he be a potential trade chip with teams knowing he is basically an expiring?
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    double
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    very much so, but better at the draft, actually. B/c we can trade him to someone for a player/salary they need to dump (to get below the cap, below the apron or below the lux tax) and he can immediately be cut.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    Actually you've kind of got it ass backwards. This year's draft very much looks to be poor in terms of stars at the top, but there's quite a bit of depth if you believe what Chad Ford and Jonathan Givony are saying.
     
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    Re: Ben Golliver says on Talkin Ball says the Blazers maybe trying to trade JJ HIckso

    they've got MacAdoo at 16, Saric at 17 and Trey Burke at 20. All three would be improvements on our bench, alas.
     
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