THE "OFFICIAL" February 21, 2013 Trade Deadline Thread...

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  1. VanillaGorilla

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    I loooooooooooooooooooooove Dalembert
     
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  2. Natebishop3

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    But Aldridge doesn't want to play center, so it is what it is. If we add Smith, I think it will just cause problems.

    We need a center. We need a backup point guard. We need bench scoring.

    Maybe go

    Jarrett Jack
    JJ Redick
    Milsap

    Lillard/Jack
    Redick/Matthews
    Batum/??
    Aldridge/Milsap
    Leonard/??
     
    Natebishop3, Feb 2, 2013
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    Amare shot 7 of 7 last game. He's 9 of 9 tonight
     
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    Sorry wrong thread
     
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    Aldridge being a pussy is a big time issue. I think maybe if you did get Smith and maybe a coach that can really get LMA to buy in and make him think that he could win a ring with that group, he might change, a la Bosh or Gasol when they got traded. On paper, that lineup is fucking excellent and can play with the elite teams. But it does rely on LMA sacking up and deciding to mix it up down low, which we all know he can do.

    As I said above, the Josh Smith idea relies on Aldridge buying into playing C. If he does do that, that team can contend for championships IMO. THATS the difference maker you should be going for. The goal is to win rings. Perhaps there are risks involved, but the reward could be tremendous.

    The team with Al Jeff is not going to win a ring IMO. He would improve your team, and I suppose that means hes a difference maker. But the end goal is to win a ring. I don't think that core unit gets it done.

    Furthermore, going with 4 years at ~$12 million per year on Al Jefferson limits Portland's ability to make moves to become a championship contender. A 4 year deal would go through 2017. LMA is due an extension in 2015, and Batum and Lillard are due extensions in 2016. That sounds like a hell of a lot of money tied up in a core four of a non-contender. Hard to see them fielding a decent team with whatever is leftover. Paul Allen is rich but the luxury tax looks awfully prohibitive, even Mark Cuban has expressed concern about getting into it. And regardless of whether PA will pay it, its never a smart move to strap your team with big, poor value contracts. Perhaps you can justify it if you know you've got a championship level team. Again, I don't think this one with Al Jeff is a contender.

    Going with the stop gaps doesn't press you so hard against the lux tax line. They can also serve as tradeable assets in the form of expiring contracts when stars do become available via trade. I think you'll be in a better position to make a deal when the opportunity comes, and the team with Dalembert or Kwame Brown plus one or two quality bench players is probably roughly as good as the team with Al Jeff and a bench of vet minimum guys and rookies.

    And if you're going to argue that the Al Jeff team would be better, I'll let you know my response right now is that if its not a contender and its not a step toward being a contender then who the fugg cares? IMO its not a contender and it makes it harder to take the leap to contention, not easier.
     
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    Adding or not adding Jefferson is inconsequential because the core of Lillard, Batum, and Aldridge is damn good regardless. I think that lineup could compete for a championship, so adding another option in Jefferson or Smith is just icing on the cake, but we have to do it now or we won't have the cap space to sign a big time free agent.
     
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    I've never been a big Samuel Dalembert guy he plays really stupid sometimes. Hell if you want Dalembert you might as well should have hung on to Hasheem Thabeet.
     
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    Are you kidding me?
     
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    Clippers want KG. The Los Angeles Clippers have contacted the Boston Celtics about a potential trade surrounding Kevin Garnett, according to sources.

    The two teams were talking ahead of Sunday's game against each other.

    The Clippers' offer could include Eric Bledsoe and Caron Butler.
     
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    Terrible trade for both teams. Celtics are thin at big. Why trade big for small? Clippers have plenty of bigs and Paul and billups are questions on health.
     
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    Danny probably feels they are going nowhere, no sense in having KG's salary on the books for two more after this. Don't see that they have a real need for Bledsoe, with Bradley and Rondo, but a lot of other teams are interested, so they could probably turn around and flip him in the offseason for good assets.
     
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    Who speaks for them? Did they replace Olshey?
     
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    Clippers have a lot of bigs but they really aren't that great offensively. That's where KG would help.
     
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    JJ Hickson for Timofey Mozgov straight up?
     
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    Al Jefferson is a big time player but not much different than Hickson. If you want to trade Hickson for Jefferson (or not sign Hickson/Sign Jefferson) the team would be somewhat better but having both of them doesn't make sense.
    I think our biggest problem is we play with 2 power-forwards, it's especially evident in the area of interior defense, where - like Aldridge said - we don't have a center that protects the rim, like we had in Camby, for example. I don't think Jefferson solves this problem. Maybe Leonard could become that player.

    Shooting guard is also a weak position. Mathewss is already a good rotation player, Barton would be a good rotation player but none of them are clear-cut starters for a contender. I think maybe Elliot Williams could be that player if he's ever healthy.

    Backup PG. Ronnie Price is OK and Nolan Smith had a great game against the Jazz. Still, they make our backup position less than average. Lillard should get heavy minutes anyway, but it would be nice to have a player we can trust as his backup, also maybe see them play together like Lillard and Smith against the Jazz. Coby Karl really impressed me in preseason but for some reason never got a chance for us or any other team this season. Another answer to this problem that I don't think we ever tried is to use Barton as backup 1. I also still think letting Armon Johnson go was a mistake.
     
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    Chatter out this morning that PEK might be available as Minny may not want to pay him what he might go for (over 11 mil). They want a wing that can shoot, would you guys trade Wes for Pek and his RFA rights?
     
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    That just closes one hole while opening another - if you do that then we have no SG. And there are more quality Cs in the league than there are quality SGs. So I guess I'd have to say no. Especially since it sounds like Pek isn't much of a defender.
     
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    I agree Jefferson does not solve the problem and I would really like to see Karl on the team next year if possible.
     
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    I see no reason why we can't pry either Kanter or Favors away from the Jazz. Something has got to give with that gluttony of bigs. I think either of those guys could be future All-Stars.
     
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    with what?
     
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