exactly logically if something infinite exists that would have to be its natural state. it couldn't have been formed from something finite.
Actually the counting concept will never have a greater end value like Denny mentioned. Doesn't matter if counting by ones or twos; there is no end; which means there is no greater value.
possibly, yes. but that isn't license to go all god-of-the-gaps-happy. it could also have been intelligent aliens creating big bangs in labs. or mindless quantum mechanical potential that was actualized. or some other god-free cause we can't currently comprehend.
Odd that you don't assume this since the majority disagrees with you. http://science.howstuffworks.com/dictionary/astronomy-terms/before-big-bang.htm
Finite. You went through the exercise a long time ago to figure out the FINITE number of hydrogen atoms in the universe.
I am not trying to go all "God of the gaps" on you right now. What I am explaining is that something did creat this universe we live in today. Aliens, maybe another universe (like your adopted multi-verse idea), God. But in the end, there needs to be an eternal being or energy that was the first to start everything. I remembered an interview with Dawkins regarding the first "self replicating molecule" and he admitted that it's quite possible for a dawinian intelligence started life on this planet. It may have solved Earth's living jump start; but it still doesn't explain theirs and so on. The missing piece is an eternal being or thing outside the boundries of matter, space and time. Something or someone that needs no start because it is eternal.
It is difficult enough to imagine a time, roughly 13.7 billion years ago, when the entire universe existed as a singularity. According to the big bang theory, one of the main contenders vying to explain how the universe came to be, all the matter in the cosmos -- all of space itself -- existed in a form smaller than a subatomic particle. What are you talking about? Does this prove you don't even read what I posted?
Here is another explanation about the big bang. Maybe you aren't the one getting it Denny. http://science.howstuffworks.com/dictionary/astronomy-terms/big-bang-theory.htm And this is a really good part of the link Yeah maybe that was when an eternal intelligence created the laws.
I am a closet nerd. Seriously.... I love reading about everything science; even if it contridicts my faith. I definitely don't know everything, but I am open to learn about everything.
yes, when comparing infinite sets, to say one is greater (if you want to use that term) cannot mean one set has a greater 'total' number of elements than the other. the concept of totality connotes finiteness and can't be meaningfully applied to infinite sets. greater can only be used in the context of one set having a greater number of *corresponding* elements than another. in other words for every element in the set of even natural numbers there are 2 elements in the set of natural numbers.
You are ignoring the "nothing around it" part of what I write. All the finite matter and energy in the universe was on top of itself in a very dense form. A singularity (though crowTbot says there's doubt about the singularity these days). That singularity was all there was at time 0. Nothing around it. There was nothing before it. A singularity is smaller than a subatomic particle, sure. Your link still doesn't describe a tiny dot WITH "NOTHING" AROUND IT.
Nice straddling the fence Denny.... You just can't admit you are mistaken can you? You refuted my definition that the Big Bang started with this Universe was condensed into a sub-atomic partical; saying it was much larger. Obviously you can't put your logic around this dude. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/18/lawrence-krauss-universe-from-nothing_n_1681113.html Watch the video. Even "Lawerence Krauss" openly suggested there is a void; but still having "something in it"; but in the end, he does agree that there is nothing. That the Universe will eventually expand to a point to where there really isn't anything left.
Oh and Denny, how about this link. Saying that all the matter and space of the universe was condensed from the size of a pea. http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/nov/04/secrets-universe-where-why-how-book Now the greatest thing about the Big Bang Theory is that the condensed mass created it's own space and time. So before the Big Bang Time didn't exist. Basically everything outside this universe was without time and space. But inside this condensed mass; time, space and matter all existed.
