I would like to know how a discussion of the historical accuracy of the bible evolved into a discussion of the Big Bang theory? I'm not sure I should have used the word "evolved" in the above sentence though.
Denny started ranting about how right he was! Then used the earth isn't 6,000 years old crap; knowing I don't believe that! Hahaha
ACTUALLY, I said "you give the energy a name and a personality". Subtle, but important difference there. Obviously, whatever happened at the Big Bang was unlike anything that we've experienced directly in human history. Our existing scientific toolbox may not be capable yet (or ever) of explaining all aspects of the event. The details are mysterious, but then so were lightning storms in the eyes of the cavemen. I love the mysteries, and I love the unknowns -- I just don't feel the need to fill in all the blanks with a magic man watching from the clouds.
No one claims a magic man in the clouds except skeptics and nonbelievers strawmenning theists. Theists believe there is a being and a reality that transcends this universe and our senses that created this world, as well as all of our unique attributes. We as Christians believe that being is revealed in the biblical prophets and ultimately in the person and work of Jesus Christ on our behalf. If you want to discuss the evidence for Christianity I would be happy to discuss that, but I tend to look at the problems of non-theism. Evolution is a mechanism for survival and if we merely evolved by a happen of chance, then how can we know that we evolved in such a way that we are perceptive to all forms of ultimate reality? Not all animals share our senses and we don't have the amazing senses that some animals possess, how can we even trust anything around us if we are just mere self-replicating organic machines meant for survival and nothing more? Like I said, I believe biblical Christianity fits the world we live in like a glove. In a world of pain, loss and suffering, that God would come down to suffer with us and for us in order to ultimately redeem us and bring us back to Him makes sense to me and is an amazing act of grace. It's almost like this is God's story being played out. I was thinking that if it's true that God exists in a higher dimension than our three dimensional world, then Him being able to create a three dimensional universe is not something inconceivable. We give birth to two-dimensions all the time like books and movies and cartoons and every type of media or entertainment we invent. There is no question that we are utterly unique in the world as human beings. I tend to think there would be more to things than some random cosmic accident.
Biblical Christianity fits the world we live in like a glove? Seriously? That couldn't be further from the truth in my opinion.
Of course not -- NOW. Back in the day it was the clouds, today it's "other dimensions". Who knows where you will hide your magic man next!
"Back in the day they hid their god in other dimensions, we've explored them all. Now we know he is a time traveler from the past!" -the future.
this is an interesting topic in itself, but given that you don't think we are just the the product of evolution it's also moot. if there is something more to reality that we aren't able to sense you would obviously have to say it is because god intended us to be that way. god apparently likes to cheat at hide and seek. are you saying because the christian redemption narrative makes sense to you and moves you emotionally, that is evidence it must be true? if so, the end of Jedi must be true for me (sans Ewoks). you're just arguing for the possible existence of a higher dimensional alien here, not an omnipotent god. aspects of human cognizance and behavior exist in reduced capacity elsewhere in the animal kingdom, so 'utterly' is probably overstating things a bit. false dichotomy. a god-free universe doesn't have to be random or accidental.
"And we even know his name, thanks to recovered fragments of ancient holy images (referred to as 'movies' by people at the time) captured by actual eyewitnesses! Behold, an excerpt from the first Book of Zemeckis. Glory to McFly!"
