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  1. Denny Crane

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    So?

    Not all passes are assists.

    My pass first PGs don't take many shots. Nowhere near 12 a game.
     
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    You have a very narrow scope of what makes a pass-first point guard.

    Oh, and btw, Quinn Buckner only averaged 22.6 mpg, and when you look at his per36 it bumps him up to 12.2 FGA.
     
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    Someone needs to call this fight. I don't think Denny can see out of his swollen eyes anymore.

    Have some mercy on the old man, Nate...
     
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    Buckner was a notoriously poor shooter. Like Rondo. Like Rondo, he was willing to take and make layups whenever possible. Maybe he'd get 12.2 FGA on layup attempts if he played 36, maybe not. Look at his FT% for an idea of his outside shooting ability.
     
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    Agreed, he's a student of the game and is bound to grow significantly. I am anxiously watching the Clippers to see if they can compete this year. They have a model that is similar in makeup to us that we can follow, not to mention we have their ex-GM.
     
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    :grin:

    Anyway, my point is that the point guard position has evolved, the league has evolved over the years, and it doesn't bother me that he's not a "pass first point guard".
     
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    Denny, I get the impression that you just really didn't like Stockton. Personally, I hated him and Malone. Dirty players from a team that I despised, but I still miss watching them.
     
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    I liked Stockton a lot. He was a brilliant PG who could score and who could pass.

    Magic Johnson only had a few seasons where he shot much more than Stockton, and he scored near 20 PPG with over 10 APG. I wouldn't call him pass first, either.

    I would call a guy like Mark Jackson pass first, or Andre Miller perhaps.

    Hell, I'd call Jason Kidd a pass first PG even though he took a lot of shots. He really sucked at outside shooting so teams dared him to shoot and he basically had to. But I know he looked to pass the ball rather than shoot it on most touches.
     
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    Can we change this thread title to "Pure PG discussion"?
     
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    A mod could split out the PG related posts into a new thread.

    Fine with me.
     
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    Don't get me wrong; the debate is a cool read... It just isn't anything with the actual thread anymore.
     
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    I'm sorry Denny, but the notion that you could call Stockton anything BUT pass-first is absolutely ludicrous. The fact is, over his career, he had over 2,000 more assists than shots. Since every assist requires a pass, it seems to me that that is the very definition of pass-first. In fact, Stockton was in the league 15 years before he had even a single season in which he had fewer assists that FGA.
     
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    Well that and owning the title of most assists ever.
     
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    Meh, I think it's topical. One of the points in the thread that MM linked is that Lillard is an undersized shooting guard. This debate started because we were questioning what a point guard is, exactly.
     
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    Can you find anybody here that doesn't believe that the team needs a significant upgrade in talent to be competitive for a title? Some of us think it's silly to trade a guy like LMA for a lesser player and a draft pick. I don't think that's unreasonable. I mean, if Miami offered James for LMA, of course you take that deal. But trading just for the sake of trading (and in LMA's case, hoping to get an equal or better player down the road) isn't a plan.
     
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    Here's the problem (at least in my mind) and I'm curious what you think:

    Is Lillard/Batum/Aldridge good enough, or will they be good enough, to win a championship?

    Whether we add some bench talent or not, the question is whether that core group is good enough to win it all. If they're not, what's the point? I see a striking resemblance to the Spurs when Parker, Manu, and Duncan were all tearing it up, but I think Aldridge would have to drastically improve his defense to get us to that level.

    The second question is, do we have a superstar? Lillard could be, but I have a feeling he's just going to be very good, but not great. An All-star, but not a superstar. I think we've seen enough of Aldridge to know that he's very much the same as Lillard, All-Star but not a superstar. So that leaves Batum, and I don't think he's the type of player either.

    The final question is; can we win without a superstar? It sure doesn't look that way. Not with the way the NBA is currently set up. You need a LeBron, a Durant, or even a Dirk. We currently do not have one of those, so do we sit on what we have and hope for the best, or do we keep trying to find one of those in the draft? It's like Nik said, do you sit on a losing hand and settle for second, or do you turn in your cards and hope for a winning hand? We came within one unlucky draft pick of getting Durant. Just think, if we hadn't gone with the popular choice and taken Durant, we would have that star.

    That's why some people are in favor of trading Aldridge. Hopefully get a pick that will net us a star. Or we could sit on our hand and hope for the best.
     
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