THE "OFFICIAL" February 21, 2013 Trade Deadline Thread...

I guess it depends on if the tank is really on. If it is then you wouldn't bother getting Telfair as it may give you 1 more win then you would have got with Nolan making mistakes.

 

I've always really liked Bassy. Super nice guy and not a bad player. He was drafted too high, but he's not a bad player.

 

I think it has more to do with the next season. Telfair would be a solid back-up PG/SG combo. That would allow management to concentrate on a starting center. Then if they couldn't find the volume scoring bench player via free agency; they can use Telfair or another player to grab one via trade.

I doubt Telfair would give us more wins because he isn't that scoring guard we are in search of.

 

Remember how quiet it was last year and then BOOM........ we made tons o moves? I know it's different because we have nothing to offer this season.

 

1st off Hickson isn't worth a 1st round pick, so I think if POR is holding out for that deal then they are wasting thier time, maybe they get lucky and a team gets desperate, but sure doesn't sound likely to occur.

Secondly, aren't Hickson's Bird Rights, over exaggerated? Like any team who traded for him is going to want to sign him to a 5 year deal instead of a 4 year deal? Is this the same guy that has been traded and waived and who no other team was willing to offer anything more than a 1year deal? JJ would be lucky to get a 3 year deal next year, let alone anything resembling a 5yr Bird Rights deal, him vetoing a deal to retain such rights seems a little ridiculous to me.

I think there are some young rotation players out there that make some sense for POR to pursue trading JJ for, especially if they cost less than JJ's potential cap hold next year or will be RFA\UFA this offseason.

 

Well the whole issue with "Bird Rights" isn't that the team can offer him more. It's more like a team over the cap can still resign him. Any team over cap trading for Hickson won't be able to resign him, even if they wanted to.

So this brings up a catch 22. The teams under cap that can afford to resign him would rather wait until free-agency to do it. That way they don't lose assets. Teams over cap can't resign him, so it's only a void.

The real advantage are teams over the luxury tax threshold. They can cut 4 million off their luxury penalty; which is $8 million.

 

But we don't get any bird rights with Telfair and he expires at the end of this year. So conversely if it is about next year (and it should be) then there is really not much of an incentive to trade for him for this year. We can sign him in the off-season if we want.

 

I think it would have more to do with trying him out and seeing if he actually fits. If he doesn't, then it really doesn't matter.

 

Not even if they had a mid level or bi-annual exception?

 

Yes but Hickson will be worth more than 2.5 mil per.

 

Those up against the cap only get the Mini-MLE I believe.

 

Mags, The HCP lands in LA around 5....... buy me a steak dinner and tell your fiance' to bring a me one of her hot whore-ish girlfriends.

 

hickson has zero incentive to give up his bird rights, and a small incentive to keep them

i thought we went over all this months ago?

 

Lookin' like Smith might want to get his tattoo of the old Hawks logo covered up.

 

Tonight? Wanna do some Shabu Shabu?

 

I think we know what Telfair is. And not just from having him before. He has grown since then but there is plenty of data points (scouting) that has shown what he can and can't do for us.

I actually not opposed to going to get him if it only costs us a 2nd rounder. Just saying next year doesn't really factor in (even though it should) because he can move on. We have nothing over another team in keeping him (usually you try out a guy who does come with bird rights to see if you want to pay him more then another team in the off-season Because bird rights give you those advantages in years and dollars).

 

I thought I read MLE is capped at $5mil\max of 4 years for teams over the cap...luxury cap teams are $3mil\max 3 years

 

Maybe its for Telfair to try us out? Once we get a player to POrtland; they usually never want to leave! It must be the strippers and upscale Meth or something.

 

Yeah that's right. But a team that would really want Hickson would be ones that think he is the piece to put them over the edge. Usually those teams are at or close to the luxury tax threshold.

 

I'd like to Shabu Shabu your wife!