Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manning (wikileaks source)

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  1. jlprk

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    Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

    You guys always win arguments like this because...you kill people, so we let you win before you get angry.

    But don't fall for the illusion that you have any large numbers of allies.
     
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    Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

    I love the, "I have no data to support my statement, but I represent a majority view". Hilarious.
     
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    Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

    A hero? You've got to be fucking kidding me. He should be dangling from the highest yardarm in whatever fleet still has yardarms.
     
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    Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

    transparency = treason?! :dunno:

    ...it sounds like they are going to rail-road him either way :sigh:

     
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    Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

    Love your posts, Haak.

    But the president is able to give away $billions to our enemies if he chooses. FDR made allies with the Russians who had declared war on us.

    The "too countless to list" bit is called "the Big Lie" by its proper name.

    Cheers
     
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    Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

    I understand why Manney did what he did, and do see him as a very sympathetic character. But, I also recognize that he broke the law and should be punished for this. Hopefully, is will only be a couple years, no reason to pay for this guy's incarceration for the rest of his life. He will never be in position to have access to sensitive info again, so no worries about a repeat, and I have seen nothing to suggest that he is going to commit other crimes. Fact is, we need people like this to occasionally shine a light on the lies our government tells.
     
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    Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

    Naive. Read this thread. Professional killers want him dead. He won't get a couple of years. More like a couple of decades or a couple of lifetimes.

    Anyone who opposes this evil war is a hero, and to celebrate that, here's something to read.

    http://wikileaks.org/
     
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    Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

    anyone caught aiding the enemy in any way should be executed...right?
     
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    Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

    The killers disagree with most Americans over who the enemy is.
     
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    Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

    Not naive, I never said I thought he would get only a couple years, just that I hoped that would be the case. I just don't live in black and white where I have to declare that he is the devil or a hero.
     
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    Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

    Absolute bullshit. He didn't "oppose the war...". He voluntarily enlisted in the military (illegally, as it was), he voluntarily leaked classified information before he was even assigned to a unit scheduled for Iraq, and when he got to Iraq leaked reports on Ethiopian journalists, State Dept. cables from the 70's and the Afghan War as well as Iraqi War material.

    He was a confused person who voluntarily committed treason on an unprecedented scale--not because of an opposition to the war, but because, in his words:
     
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    Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

    [video=youtube;gnziHJV0n44]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnziHJV0n44[/video]
     
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    Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

    Daniel Ellsberg was widely recognized as a hero whistleblower trying to end a stupid war, the same as Manning. The Vietnam War did not change the current Vietnam one whit from where it would have been today if there had been no war. Similarly, a generation after the U.S. leaves, Afghans will live the same way they have always lived. All this killing is for nothing.

    Can you list exactly what he disclosed that will help your "enemy"? Whoever this "enemy" is that someone told you to hate for your job, can you list the help your "enemy" gets in 2013 from Manning's disclosure of 1970s State Dept cables? 30 years from now, how will Manning's actions have damaged Afghanistan or the U.S.?
     
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    Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

    I don't hate people for my job. I help people for my job. And if they try to kill me or my allies, I do my best to stop them.

    the 1970s cables were classified for a reason. I'm not the original classifier, so I don't know what it was. I do know that Manning had neither the authority or the knowledge to declassify them. He didn't have a whistleblower motive. He was pissed off because he was losing his job anyway (not even because of DADT, which he was openly and illegally flaunting, but b/c he was having complications from his gender anxiety disorder) and decided to go out with a bang.

    He knew what he was doing was wrong (and a death-penalty offense), but he wasn't a whistleblower, he was someone who craved "moral and emotional fucking support" and didn't care if he was killed as long as pictures of him as a boy weren't posted. Hardly someone who just realized that the 6-year-old Iraq War was suddenly a mistake.

    It's sad that he got to that point without psychiatric help, and an abject failure by his superiors to let his shenanigans (listening to music in a SCIF, posting pictures of a SECRET-level facility on his facebook and youtube pages, etc.) continue with an analyst with a Top-Secret Clearance and access to what he had access to. But it's a total lie to paint this guy as a whistleblowing hero.
     
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    Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

    You could prove that his motive was that he's an unhappy lonely Martian, and it still wouldn't matter. It's an executable offense to disclose secrets that would turn Americans even more against the war? That's the mark of a dictatorship.

    Here's one of the secrets disclosed. Without Manning, we wouldn't know that the U.S. killed children, reporters, and other civilians in this incident. Video of the killing that hero Manning disclosed is included.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007_Baghdad_airstrike
     
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    Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

    It's an executable offense to disclose any secrets. That's not the mark of a dictatorship, it's what was voted on by Congress. The same Congress that said that bestiality is now legal in the military said that disclosing secrets could get you executed. Take it up with them, not me.

    And what about the secrets that would want Americans to go to war? Are those still not ok to disclose? Or is it only when it fits your point of view?
     
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    Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

    Not just congress. The constitution.

    Article 3, Section 3

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
     
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    Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

    ...FREE Manning!

     
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    Nice post, can't believe the mindless people who have a problem with exposing illegal war crimes.
     
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