http://www.blazersedge.com/2013/3/15/4110094/portland-trail-blazers-vs-detroit-pistons-2012-2013 A third of his shots are from the perimeter? And you complain about Aldridge taking too many perimeter shots? This is laughable! Monroe is lackluster and a perimeter scorer. Problem.... Aldridge is way more efficient from the perimeter. This is why your "grass is greener on the other side" wannabe gms should leave the decision making from those that actually know what they are doing. We will see just how idiotic wanting Monroe for Aldridge truly is!
Its all about potential with half of these posters. You dont move Aldridge unless you get an upgrade. No way he gets traded for potential unless Aldridge says he wants to leave
I agree. The draft is the same way. I have been watching the so called lottery picks during the conference tournaments and they are pretty much all-potential too. Don't get me wrong there are a lot of good players out there with potential, but as we always say........ it is a crap shoot. (Not impressed with Porter last night)
Exactly!!! Like I've said in a previous post; "too many hipster Portland fans" They would rather this team be some stepping stone for players to develop their game; then use that development to succeed somewhere else. Then they can claim "we knew him when he was a nobody!"
I want an Aldridge for Monroe + Singler + 10million in in caproom(conveniently what it would take to sign Paul Millsap) trade. Here's Monroe, Aldridge, and Hickson's shooting numbers and shot chart on the year. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/monrogr01/shooting/2013/ http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01/shooting/2013/ http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hicksjj01/shooting/2013/ The numbers are pretty clear as to who's the 'perimeter' scorer. Percentage of FGA as Jumpers: Monroe 31%, Hickson 36%, Aldridge 72% Monroe is 22 years old with a 19.0 PER (22.0 PER last season) while Aldridge is 27 with a 19.9 PER (22.7 PER last season), they are remarkably similar in terms of production/efficiency but Monroe is still 5 years younger.
Those other players are a joke and that cap space will do us no good. We could still have "max" without even trading Aldridge. Singler doesn't impress me one bit. Monroe doesn't impress me either. And talk about that "20 per" idea. A combo of dalembert + jerm oneal give us two players with the same per that will give you the same amount of minutes as Monroe. All this, still keeping Aldridge. And there is no guarantee we could even get millsap. Utah will do everything in their power to keep him. He has been the most consistent, highest inside defensive presence on Utah. I think they give up Jefferson before millsap. Bra have you seen the heat map? Aldridge has versatility as the others all must score inside. If we take that away; except Lillard to get quad teamed from the perimeter!
A few points 1: It's not relevant but I keep seeing people say this about our cap but it just isn't right. Olshey said we'd have ~13.1M in cap room if we don't get our pick and renounce everyone, ~11.8M with the pick. 'Max' room isn't actually a single number, it's based off of years played OR the players salary in the last year of their previous contract. The projected lowest 'Max' number this offseason is 13.7M. 2: Singler is more of a throw in (and I forgot I'd throw Freelands contract at Detroit too), but he's a nice roleplayer. Can hit open shots better than anyone else we have on the bench and he's only making 1M a year. Look at the numbers Harrison 'FUCKING' Barnes vs Singler this season, he doesn't have the upside but it's funny given some posters love of Barnes. 3. How about we get Andre Blatche and Brandan Wright to replace Aldridge's minutes at an even higher PER!!!!!! (ridiculous premise, but I lol'd a bit) 4. In my opinion Utah is setting themselves up to let both of Jefferson and Millsap walk this offseason, as well as Mo and Marvin Williams. That's 4 starters or at least guys making starter money they have coming off the books. Both Favors and Kanter need minutes and will be demanding 8-10M a year in the next 2 years, with Millsap likely commanding 10M as an unrestricted FA that would make a 26-30M 3 man frontcourt rotation that I just don't think the Jazz organization can afford. Combined with needing to sign starters at other positions and I think the Jazz will look to sign starters at PG and SG/SF before they look to bring Millsap back. 5: Huh? on the heat chart comment. Yes I see that part, but how is Aldridge taking 72% of his FGA as jumpers he almost never draws a double on (and is often wide open because Lillard has drawn the double/trap in the pick and pop) compared to Monroe taking 81% of his FGA (698 of 858) within 10ft of the rim gonna translate to Lillard getting 'quad teamed' on the perimeter?
I was one who argued for signing Millsap a few years ago. (Like I did for Wes) But my argument for both was in a 6th man role. And I still believe that. As for Singler, I am biased because he is an Oregon native. (I always liked him where I disliked kLove.) I would like to see him coming off our bench too. So yes get me Millsap and Singler. Just don't trade LMA unless you get a really good starter back.
Do you know what the definition of a 'jumper' is? There's a big difference between a 5 foot jumper and an 18 foot jumper.
Yeah, hence what I just said. You fans want to develop players then ship them out for another potential
Yep and looking at the basketball reference link; Aldridge is hot pretty much all over the court. This isn't true with either of the two examples. Monroe is actually a liability on d like many fans have already pointed out in Detroit.
Olshey references that space on the old cap; which has been discussed over and over again. The new cap should be around 60 mil; which reflects another 3-4 million of the existing cap. I have never given love to Harrison fucking Barnes I was making the same dig on your per statement using dalembert and oneal. I guess you missed that. I don't see it like that. Millsap has been their only consistent player. The reference to the heat chart shows that Aldridge is versatile; unlike the other players you referenced. Also, hickson gets wide open jumpers and is dared to shoot because its a better poison than Aldridge. I don't understand how you don't see Aldridge and his outside and inside threat provides open shots for other players.
You actually have to watch someone play more than a couple times before you can say you aren't impressed. As a 22 year old, Monroe is better than Aldridge was as a 22 year old.
That's a crock of shit. For one; Aldridge came in extremely undersized and proved he worked hard to get a pf body. Also, Portland had Roy and used Aldridge as the spot up pick and pop player for as long as Roy was relevant. Only until Roy went down with injury after injury was when Aldridge stepped up and became lamonster. How quickly you forget.
So was the guy taken ahead of him. How did that work out? I understand what you are saying, now a days with the lack of 3-4 years of college experience, they are mostly all based on potential. But I think the less guess work in building a team the better. You can't completely get away from it, but you can try to eliminate as much of it as possible.
Monroe is better at 22 then LA is at 50% of the game which is offense. Monroe's D is almost nonexistent, he is a very very bad defense player and thats half the game. He doesn't even pretend to try on that end of the floor. Offense in the NBA (especially on young guys) seems to get all the glory and people over look the other half of the game which is D.
That's a bunch of bullshit. First off, Aldridge came in extremely raw and undersized. Monroe was already a solid center build. Aldridge proved his work ethic and developed into a solid of frame. He also developed his inside game to compliment his outside shooting. Aldridge was the pick and pop player because we had Roy needing his outside shot. The moment Roy went down, we saw the lamonster playing inside and dominating. How quickly you forget. Monroe doesn't demand doubles like Aldridge does. But like your lack of committing to aldridges 4th quarter over/under last game; you will refuse any logical response anyway
Don't use logic. Don't you know that most of these guys are only concerned about offense. Monroe is awesome because he can score. Never mind his terrible defense. We don't need defense man!!!!
The current cap is 58M, 60M would only be an increase of 2. And I see a minimum of ~46M in cap commitments even with renouncing everyone and losing our pick, that's 14M in room with a 60M cap, which is barely enough for the lowest possible 'max'. Millsap, for an example already brought up in this thread but not likely to get the max, qualifies for a max of 16.4M this offseason. Just an observation about the Barnes thing. Again Singler isn't a prize, he's just the kind of guy any team would like to have for spot minutes and injury insurance. I got the dig, and called it a ridiculous premise, did you miss that? It's just how I see it, Utah can't plan to pay 3 guys big money for 2 positions, especially not when they have basically nobody on the perimeter except Hayward who also will be getting payed within 2 years. Aldridge isn't drawing extra attention taking 18ft jumpers. Like other posters have said in other threads, Aldridge taking most of his shots from beyond 10ft with a FG% of 41.8% and effectively scoring 0.836 points per FGA is frankly exactly what other teams want him to be doing, and isn't making us a better team. It's the inside part of his game that opens people up, but if he's not gonna do that then he's not drawing any extra attention, hell it's usually his man doing the double on Lillard on the pick and pop.
