Child Welfare called in on Father who gave Son a Gun

^Terrible comparison.

Every child I know growing up had a bike. Or at least rode bikes. At age 4 even.

Very few ever had a gun before the age of 18.

Let's play a game. We find a big area in Bend, or wherever else in Central, Oregon. A couple of acres. You and me, but we have to stay within the specified area. You get a bike, I'll get the gun. Last man standing wins. I mean really? There's bad comparisons, and there's BAD comparisons.

 

^For the record, this was an example just to show how absurd Maris' post was - please don't send the police or Child Services to my house. I don't even own a gun.

 

This is where we have a fundamental difference in the way we view society. I don't think all police officers are honest and upstanding people, but I do believe a majority of them are and will not lie or intimidate under these circumstances. Whereas you think all of them do. So I get where you are coming from.

I will ask you, do you think in your profession, that you should be judged by the real estate agents that will lie and deceive their own clients to make a sale. Because I think those agents are more the exception than the rule and most real estate agents are good hard working people . . . but I think the same about police officers.

 

Look if CPS doesn't handle it the way they did and something bad happens they will get barbequed for it.

 

The Ripcity Two Hunger Games. Sounds fun!

 

This has happened right here in Oregon. CSD got reports regarding Ward Weaver and never followed up. Turns out he murdered Ashley Pond and Miranda Gaddis. CSD got raked over the coals (rightfully so) and changed policies due to that case.

 

This. I'd rather CPS over-investigate than under-investigate. Whoever called them should be thoroughly, mercilessly, and very publicly ridiculed.

 

Do you own any children?

Do you want to?

 

Never mind that I'd have a decided advantage over you in that situation whether I had bike or a balloon, you're changing the subject. Your personal fear of guns is meaningless to the thread topic which is the abuse of power by the government.

Buying your child a bike is far more likely to result in his death or Injury than buying him a gun.

Nearly every kid I grew up with had guns and nobody I have ever known has ever been shot with a gun.

 

I grew up around cops and have worked closely with law enforcement throughout my life. I have known dozens upon dozens of cops, some for many years.

All cops lie and intimidate. They are trained to and instructed to and are required to. It's in the job description.

 

As opposed to getting fired, the taxpayers being sued for damages, which is how civil rights infringements end up being settled.

 

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That's quite an argument against freedom.

And that's a quickie in favor of a police state.

...If it's legal for a kid to own a gun, then why does CPS investigate legal activity?

 

Police investigate activity that may be illegal. CPS investigates if they believe a child is at risk.

 

That may be true of kids raised in the city. I grew up in the country. I had a gun (.22) when I was 12. I was thoroughly checked out on gun safety before I was ever allowed to shoot it. I was also thoroughly checked out on the issue that you don't get to make a mistake with a gun. Most of the kids I knew had a gun by the time they were allowed to hunt big game, about 14 years old.

Go Blazers

 

This is one area I totally agree with you Maris. A cops job is to ENFORCE THE LAW, lieing and intimidating people into giving up information is a tool they use. I have met some very nice officers over the years but I have never made the mistake of believing any of them are ever on MY side.

Little offnote highschool story to emphasis this point. In HS a couple of buddies who were both 18 were at a party. One was drunk the other not. After the party the sober guy gave the drunk guy a ride home, thinking he was doing the responsible thing, and got pulled over. The cop smelled alcohol asked if anyone was drinking, the driver said his passenger was drunk and that he was giving him a ride home. The cop gets all buddy buddy, shooting the shit etc, asks the driver if he had anything to drink all night. Driver responds one or two a long time ago. BOOOM! DUI for driver and MIP for passenger, even though the driver blew and registered about as much alcohol as he would have if he had swallowed some mouth wash. His admission of drinking anything was enough for the DUI as under 21 there is zero tolerance. Point being a cop will do anything to get the info out of you and then they will enforce the law and leave any interpretations to the judge.

In relation to this thread, the Dad is an idiot and so is whoever turned him in. CPS has to investigate everything and some people use that to their advantage. Dad did nothing wrong, except blame the system and cry about 2nd ammendment rights. Seems like everyone is being oversensative these days. Im careful about what I post on facebook, not because I do anything illegal, but because I know that everything on there is for the world to see and Im carefull how I portray myself to the world.

 

Out of curiosity, Which state did you grow up in?