Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy If Kobe Bryant's career ended TODAY, What would his legacy be as an NBA player? Where would you rank him on the all time list? Hall of Fame worthy?
Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy If his career ended today, he would always be looked at as Shaq's sidekick no matter what. His only real team success has come with Shaq thus far, and without a chance to try to prove that he can do it without Shaq there is nothing to remember him as but Shaq's sidekick.
Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy i wouldnt put kobe that high. dont get me wrong, kobe is a really really good player, he's just too one-dimensional i guess. along with AI, he's the best scorer this league has seen in a while, but past that he hasn't really shown that he excells in multiple areas beyond the scoring to be labeled one of the best of all time for me. like someone said, he's not much more than shaqs high scoring sidekick at this point. even though i hate the guy, i respect him, and think hes a great player.
Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy One dimensional? Kobe is a pretty good defender too. If you like it or not, Kobe is one hell of a player.
Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy yeah, true, the one-dimensional label was a bit extreme, but give me a break, i had just woken up
Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy Leaving everything that happened off the court out of this, he's probably going to the hall. But yes, he will always be thought of as shaq's little sideprick.
Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy I agree with all of you saying that he will be thought of Shaq's little sidekick, but that's not all he was. He just came off of a career year, was Shaq in L.A.? No, Kobe has been able to accept his role as a leader since Shaq has been gone and has done a great job doing it, however the players he's leading, are not so good. He got the chance to prove himself when his team nearly beat the Suns, who went on the the Western Conference Finals, He got the chance to prove himself when he dorpped 81. He's not just Shaq's little sidekick.
Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>i wouldnt put kobe that high. dont get me wrong, kobe is a really really good player, he's just too one-dimensional i guess. along with AI, he's the best scorer this league has seen in a while, but past that he hasn't really shown that he excells in multiple areas beyond the scoring to be labeled one of the best of all time for me.</div>Yikes, Kobe can score the basketball, Rebound, Block shots, He is one of the best defenders in the league.He does everything well.
Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy Kobe would be remembered a lot like Walter Davis and Fat Lever were. the diehard fans would know who they are, but the average fan wouldn't have a clue.
Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Aug 27 2006, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe would be remembered a lot like Walter Davis and Fat Lever were. the diehard fans would know who they are, but the average fan wouldn't have a clue.</div>Are you kidding. People aren't gonna remember a man who led (with Shaq) a team to 3 straight titles? Who averaged 30, 7, and 6 with all defensive first team honors? A man who scored 40+ points 9 straight games, 45+ 4 straight games, and topped 40 27 times in a season? A man who averaged over 40 points a game for an entire month, twice? A man who has hit 24 game winning shots in his career (not game tyers)? The list could go on and on, but the fact of the matter is, Kobe will be remembered, I guarantee you.
Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy No way Redneck, thats not true. Kobe is already a house hold name. I think he is a hall of famer already. Even if he was Shaq's sidekick, he was a damn good one. Scottie Pippen will be in the hall as MJ's sidekick.
Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy Yes, he would. He has done it all. He is a great defensive player, a very key part to 3 championship teams, he has won, he has averaged 20+ for his career, he has had a 35 ppg season, an 81 point game. He is the best player in basketball right now, and he has been top 5 for a long time. I say that is enough to warrant him into the HOF.
Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy If Kobe's career ended today, I would rank him as the 2nd best SG of all-time. I don't care how many of you disagree with me. Kobe does absolutely everything on the court:- He can score any number you want him to- He is a top 5 perimiter defender in the NBA- He is fearless- He is a true winner- He rebounds fairly well- He's athletic- He can shoot- He has 3 rings (Shaq or not.. neither one could have done it without the other)- He is the closest thing to Michael Jordan we have ever seen- He's smart- He's a true leader- He plays smart and under control. Never does he play nervous or get careless on the court.- He's clutch- He competes as hard as anyone in the league- He works EXTREMELY hard, year in and year outI mean there are more things to add to the list, but I'm just not in the mood to list them all. Kobe is an unbelievable athlete, an unbelievable basketball player, and one of the biggest competitors in the NBA.Kobe Bryant is the best basketball player in the NBA right now, and I could care less how many people agree/disagree with me: Kobe Bryant is the 2nd best SG of all-time.
Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Aug 27 2006, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If Kobe's career ended today, I would rank him as the 2nd best SG of all-time. I don't care how many of you disagree with me. Kobe does absolutely everything on the court:- He can score any number you want him to- He is a top 5 perimiter defender in the NBA- He is fearless- He is a true winner- He rebounds fairly well- He's athletic- He can shoot- He has 3 rings (Shaq or not.. neither one could have done it without the other)- He is the closest thing to Michael Jordan we have ever seen- He's smart- He's a true leader- He plays smart and under control. Never does he play nervous or get careless on the court.- He's clutch- He competes as hard as anyone in the league- He works EXTREMELY hard, year in and year outI mean there are more things to add to the list, but I'm just not in the mood to list them all. Kobe is an unbelievable athlete, an unbelievable basketball player, and one of the biggest competitors in the NBA.Kobe Bryant is the best basketball player in the NBA right now, and I could care less how many people agree/disagree with me: Kobe Bryant is the 2nd best SG of all-time.</div> :g: r u really a celtics a fan...........i like the way u think, llol
Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lakersfoelyfe @ Aug 27 2006, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:g: r u really a celtics a fan...........i like the way u think, llol</div>LOL, well I don't buy into the whole Celtics/Lakers rivalry. Here are my reasons:- I wasn't living through the moments of the real rivalry, with Bird/McHale/Parish/DJ/Magic/Kareem/Worthy/etc. I was born in '89 and I was growing up up with the end of the Jordan era.- Rivalries are dead in the NBA nowadays. There aren't any true team rivalries anymore. Nothing like the Celtics/Lakers, Bulls/Knicks, Pistons/everyone lol. Nowadays, all we have is our player-player beef's (ala Kobe/Raja, Kobe/Shaq for a while, Marbury/LB, etc.). As far as true, flat out rivalries - we have nothing. All we have is past times, and this new era "trying" to carry on the rivalry. But with the way the game is now (if you breathe too hard on an All-Star it's a foul), rivalries are almost impossible to have.- I look at every situation this way - I don't care how much I like/dislike the player/team we are talking about, I give credit where it is due. I mean that doesn't apply here because I love Kobe, but still. I don't care how much you don't like Kobe Bryant the person (which I think is a good person), but you are plain ignorant if you don't give full credit to Kobe Bryant the basketball player.
Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Aug 27 2006, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL, well I don't buy into the whole Celtics/Lakers rivalry. Here are my reasons:- I wasn't living through the moments of the real rivalry, with Bird/McHale/Parish/DJ/Magic/Kareem/Worthy/etc. I was born in '89 and I was growing up up with the end of the Jordan era.- Rivalries are dead in the NBA nowadays. There aren't any true team rivalries anymore. Nothing like the Celtics/Lakers, Bulls/Knicks, Pistons/everyone lol. Nowadays, all we have is our player-player beef's (ala Kobe/Raja, Kobe/Shaq for a while, Marbury/LB, etc.). As far as true, flat out rivalries - we have nothing. All we have is past times, and this new era "trying" to carry on the rivalry. But with the way the game is now (if you breathe too hard on an All-Star it's a foul), rivalries are almost impossible to have.- I look at every situation this way - I don't care how much I like/dislike the player/team we are talking about, I give credit where it is due. I mean that doesn't apply here because I love Kobe, but still. I don't care how much you don't like Kobe Bryant the person (which I think is a good person), but you are plain ignorant if you don't give full credit to Kobe Bryant the basketball player.</div> i started watching in 87 (u weren't even born then, wow i'm old)
Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy you forget miami/NY with zo and ewingbut i think the new rivalries are:chicago vs detroitmiami vs detroitspurs vs mavericksidono i know theres more but whateveranyways as regards to Kobe,yeah he may be one of the great SGs, but not top 2.It may be because you werent around back then to see all the great SGs there were like Jerry West, Oscar Robertson, etc.
Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Aug 27 2006, 02:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If his career ended today, he would always be looked at as Shaq's sidekick no matter what. His only real team success has come with Shaq thus far, and without a chance to try to prove that he can do it without Shaq there is nothing to remember him as but Shaq's sidekick.</div>that is where i highly disagree with you. People wouldnt label him as that considering he has been without Shaq for what, two years? and look at those 2 years. He has been stuck with a VERY mediocre group surrounding him. And if you want to call a sidekick a guy who put up numbers like Kobe did, and made the impact that kobe did, you can go right ahead and say that....but that is not the right word for it. Kobe would still go to the hall today IMO if he retired at this moment. He is just that good.
Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy People say all the time Kobe would have no rings if it wasnt for shaq. But really do you think shaq could have done it without Kobe?So people shouldnt even say he was a sidekick. the hating on Kobe for his rape accuse, cockyness so i would see some people come here and call him a sidekick. Kobe is one of the most athletic and best all around player in the NBA or in the entire NBA including the past. Kobe is the best clutch player iin the league rite now. dropping 81 was jaw dropping. also he had 20 60+ point games. Dont even say that he only scored 81 on one of the worst teams in the Nba the raptors but he dropped 62 on the Mavs the team that contended for the title. I could go on if i have to but rite now im gunna go to sleep
Re: Kobe Bryant's legacy <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Aug 27 2006, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If his career ended today, he would always be looked at as Shaq's sidekick no matter what. His only real team success has come with Shaq thus far, and without a chance to try to prove that he can do it without Shaq there is nothing to remember him as but Shaq's sidekick.</div>I don't know, the 81 point hall is what he'd be remember for if he retired right now. That's an 80 point game that we actually have on tape whilst's wilt's game is unviewable. Add to the fact that people just cannot stop talking about kobe i think he'll be remember for ages. When an article can be made for the use of "they" on one of the biggest sports' websites, you know you're big.edit: And one misconception that i hate about kobe is that he isn't a good passer. Kobe was a very good passer and still is. All you need to do is flip on one of those old laker games and you'll see what i'm saying. And you saw it this suns series. Kobe is a good passer, he just didn't pass enough during the regular season.And btw, Kobe is a 27ppg scorer as a starter. That includes the years he played sidekick to shaq during the 3 peat. That's pretty damn good.
