I have said that the ball throwing was over the top, meaning I believe Rice's behavior was over the top. Everything other than that, I have personally witnessed on sports teams.
Yeah, win at all cost (which I contend that you can make a point without name calling) and do not worry about the kids development from childhood to adult. A few of the pushes look harmless but some of those pushes look more like punches to me too.
The kids are making a choice to be part of the program. They could walk, or not choose to join up front. They're not being forced against their will to be there.
Using the same logic, any employer should be able to use the same tactics. Also, I am guessing during the recruitment process that this was not part of the sales pitch. These kids are stuck if they want to get out after they sign.
I would venture to guess that the kids didn't know when they signed to go to Rutgers that they'd be getting kicked and having balls thrown at them. Otherwise, I agree, they could leave. Of course, with stupid NCAA rules, they'd have to either sit out an entire season, or I think it's drop to a lower level?
As some of you declared, this happens at a young age in all sports. So why would they expect college, where the stakes are greater, to be any different? And why would they expect it to be different, when we've heard stories like this for years? Bob Knight took it to the extreme because he berated players in-game. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, just asking the questions.
They are stuck? No they aren't. They can lose a year of eligibility. Or they could choose to pay for college the way many of us do.
I've never seen or heard of a coach throwing balls at players, and never heard of a coach kicking a kid. Some of the shoves looked bad, but a few of the others in the video seemed to be more him putting the kid in the spot he's supposed to be for the play. That I don't think is as big of a deal. I saw that in football,a coach grabbing a kid to the right position. I never saw a coach just shoving a kid in the chest to yell at him, though.
If you haven't seen it or heard about it, then my question wasn't directed at you. But I'd say I'm shocked you haven't seen it. I personally never experienced anything like this, but this isn't the first time I've seen such things in the media. Far from it.
Sorry, by hadn't seen it or heard it, I meant growing up, and personally. Not in the media, or reading a story in SI or something, but actually seeing any of my coaches do it, or hearing from friends, friends of friends, etc. of their coaches doing it.
Roger that. I'd heard of it from some friends. Not quite to this extreme, but I'd heard some pretty tough stuff (especially with football). But as I mentioned in an earlier post, I never was exposed to any of this (aside from what comes out in the media). Now, parents fighting at youth sporting events? Oh my, I saw some good ones.
My thought is that this does go on to some degree at all levels. The higher level you go up, the more you can expect "negative reinforcement" as a motivating tool. The fact it happens and is accepted to some degree AND that Rice is being called out for it and has been suspended means to me that Rice is just way over the top and out of control.
Regardless of whether you think Rice's behavior is out of line, and I certainly do, in this day of instant media scrutiny where nearly everyone is holding a direct-to-internet video link in the palm of their hand, his behavior is ..........well..............unbelievably stupid. There are better ways to motivate people.
Its not motivation. Its getting them to pay attention. [video=youtube;cm0uSVvjsOA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cm0uSVvjsOA#t=75s[/video] jump to 1:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cm0uSVvjsOA#t=75s
