Quick says look for a trade on draft night for a center

I respectfully disagree. Jordan is a bonehead who Vinny Del Negro (Vinny Del Negro) has benched for NOT PLAYING DEFENSE. He's the twin of Javale McGee.

If the GM has SPECIFICALLY SAID we need defense from the center spot, we're not going after Jordan. The Clippers would be very happy to unload him (doesn't he have his current contract because Golden State offered it to him?) but I hope to christ we don't take them up on it.

 

They're the same fucking player! How can you like one but hate the other?

 

Learn the game, then post.

Sorry, but seriously stop looking at the stats and watch the guy play. He blocks a ton of shots, but is one of the worst defenders in the entire league. Why do you think he plays so few minutes? If he's so talented, why is he riding the pine behind Kosta Koufos?

There's a reason McGee only plays 18 MPG. He's a freaking defensive liability. He tries to block EVERY shot, even if he has ZERO chance. That means every time someone drives into the paint, McGee leaves his man wide open under the basket. That leads to way too many easy points and offensive rebounds for his opponents. Sure, his individual stats look great (so do J.J. Hickson's, by the way), but check out his on court/off court stats at 82games.com. His team does MUCH worse when he's on the court. His net on court/off court is -6.1. By comparison Kosta Koufos has a net on court/off court of +6.9. That's an on court/off court swing of 13.0 between these two centers, and why Koufas starts and McGee rides the pine. It's not rocket science, but not obvious just by looking at his gaudy individual stats.

There's a reason Washington was so eager to get rid of him and why he's getting limited PT in Denver. If you think J.J. Hickson's individual stats are fool's gold, McGee's individual stats are fool's platinum.

BNM

 

as far as offense is concerned, I'd rather add a high post center then someone who can only get it done on the low block as it would allow LA to move back inside. Of course the best would be someone who excels both inside and out which would give Portland more versatility on offense. That said, defense is what I'm most hoping for... two guys that I'd love to see paired with LA are both Brazilian (Nene & Andy).

STOMP

 

So would KingSpeed, but that's not what this thread is about...

BNM

 

He looks that way to me.

Do you have any evidence that he is a very good defender, other than your opinion?

I already pointed out that he is a great shot blocker. You didn't add anything there.

Additionally, this is a great contrast to Noah. Noah is a very good defender and still does very well with blocks. His focus on defense and blocks, explains why his rebound numbers aren't better.

Jordan, 4.6% block %, 5.2% for career; Noah 4.4% block %, 3.8% for career.

Jordan is very good with blocks, but his defense suffers greatly from his obsession with them. He just doesn't have the talent that a few other bigs do to do 2 big chores very well (blocks; defense; rebounds) I think that is a bad tradeoff. And there is NO WAY the coaches are asking him to focus on blocks vs. overall defense.

He has not been rebounding much better than Noah, they rebound at close to the same rate, and Noah is having his worst year rebounding. Regardless, I didn't say Jordan was a bad rebounder Mediocre is not bad. And I never said Noah was a very good rebounder.

 

I agree with that, but I also don't necessarily like the idea of paying Jordan $11m a year to sit on the bench and only block 1.3 shots per game.

I think his dunks lead to him being massively overrated. He's a career 15 PER player who shoots 39% from the FT line and doesn't really defend.

He basically makes close to what LMA makes, and LMA blocks 1.2/game this year.

 

He's not even a very good shot blocker, though.

 

You shit all over Meyers Leonard on a daily basis, yet you want a 27 year-old Mahinmi, who is arguably a worse player than Leonard right now?

 

Would Chicago trade Noah? I would send them Matthews, draft pick, Leonard, and cap space for Noah.

 

Why on Earth would Chicago make that deal?

 

I'm curious if they plan on making another run at LeBron.... I guess if that's the plan, they wouldn't want Matthews' 3 years left on his deal.

Edited: I guess after this year it would only be 2 years, but he still eats up $6+ million per year.

 

That makes some sense if they are looking for James. I hadn't thought of that aspect of it.

 

I'm not really clear on their cap situation. The thought would be that James would pair up with Rose, but they might be able to do that without trading Noah.

 

#12 in blk%

He's #12 because players like Biedrins, Fab Melo, D.J. White, Bernard James, Hamed Haddadi are ahead of him, and these guys barely play.

Basically DeAndre Jordan is top 10 in blk% this season, so yes, he is a good shot blocker.

 

I've seen his post defense on Aldridge and he's able to force Aldridge to take some really tough shots because of his length. He usually guards Aldridge because Blake Griffin isn't big enough.

Aldridge is averaging 15.7pts/G against the Clippers this season while averaging 40min per game in those games. He had a 5-14 games against the Clippers in January.

18.5pts/G last season, but on 42% shooting.

Jordan's length is a problem for teams.

 

I would take Jordan simply because he'd be a pretty big upgrade at that position. It depends on what we give up and who could be available when we pick.

 

If they can't find the center they need (90% probability) do they simply do nothing? Do they accept a modest upgrade, or founder on with an unprepared pseudo-euro?

 

Ugh... McGee and Jordan are both pretty terrible! I'd much rather we sign someone like Samuel Dalembert, or find a way to trade for someone like Robin Lopez, Marcin Gortat, Emeka Okafor, etc. Hell, I'd rather we just sign someone like Mozgov & buy a late first-rounder to draft Dieng, rather than ponying up value for knuckleheads like McGee & Jordan!

I'm not sure what it'd cost us to get Lopez, but I'd think Gortat could be had for Capspace & either Meyers Leonard or our 2013 lotto-pick, knowing how cheap Phoenix has proven to be. I think Okafor would be a good fit, too, though I'm not really sure whether or not the Wizards will be looking to dump him. If they do, he could be a decent solution, assuming they were willing to add some value in order to do so.

 

Jason Quick is my buddy.