"Let's Trade Aldridge and Start JJ, a REAL PF, at PF!"-- um no

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  1. Denny Crane

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    In fact, from what I see, a TE can only be given in a deal involving ONE player and only one player.
     
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    Draft picks don't count as salary. So this is correct.
     
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    If Portland trades Matthews (7.8 mil), Batum (12 mil) + Cap Space (10 mil) for Kobe (30 mil per); would the NBA accept the deal?
     
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    What? Who is trading two players for a player and a TE? I'm pretty sure every scenario mentioned here has the Blazers trading one or two players for Dwight Howard (one player).
     
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    Yep. 150% + $100K rule works for both teams. The Blazers might be over the cap, slightly, after the deal. If not, it still works for them. The Lakers can take back 150% of Kobe's $30M plus $100K.
     
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    Very good. So what would the Lakers receive other than just Matthews and Batum?
     
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    There ya go, nate.
     
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    A $10M lower team salary.

    If it used to be $80M in salary, it's now $70M.
     
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    And?
     
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    Read this Denny and get back to me. And it was written by the man who made the salary cap faq, so you don't argue the content.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7360566/nba-trade-exceptions-expiring

    So in the scenario that I just used for Kobe; the lakers could use the TE for cap relief, or sign 1 player that makes that amount or less.

    So Lakers would get Matthews, Batum and a 10 million TE
     
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    You're misreading it. They can't do both a simultaneous and non-simultaneous trade. They have the choice of taking players or a TE, but not both.
     
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    That's how I always understood it, but my understanding of the CBA has always been cloudy.

    Either way, my idea was Matthews, Batum, and either filler or we absorb the rest of the cap hit.
     
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    What are you arguing about man?!?!

    I think you aren't understanding that the Lakers are only trading 1 player. They will receive less salary in return for that "one player"; so they have the option to use that space as a TE.
     
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    So, if I'm reading that right, the Blazers aren't actually sending a trade exception. The Lakers just get a trade exception by default because they sent out more salary than they received?
     
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    Yes. And they have 1 year to finish the trade by either finding players that equal the exemption (with a $100,000 fudge factor).
     
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    You're still misreading it. You even bolded the part that you're confused about.

    The deal might be reconfigured to gain a trade exception. But in this case, it can't be done.

    Here is a more complicated example of a legal non-simultaneous trade: Team A is a taxpaying team with a $4 million trade exception from a previous trade, and a $10 million player it currently wants to trade. Team B has three players making $4 million, $5 million and $7 million, and the two teams want to complete a three-for-one trade with these players. This trade is legal -- the $5 million and $7 million players together make less than the 125% plus $100,000 allowed for the $10 million player ($12.6 million), and the $4 million player fits within the $4 million trade exception. So the $4 million player actually completes the previous, non-simultaneous trade, so Team A is left trading its $10 million player for Team B's $5 million and $7 million players in a separate, simultaneous trade. From Team B's perspective there is also a simultaneous and a non-simultaneous trade -- it aggregates its $4 million and $5 million players to acquire Team A's $10 million player in a simultaneous trade, and it sends the $7 million player to Team A for "nothing" in a separate, non-simultaneous trade, thereby receiving a $7 million trade exception.
     
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    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q81

     
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    So what this means is the Lakers are in tax threshold. They must get a trade exemption for the player they send out and take back less salary in return. Therefor, trading Matthews and Batum for Kobe would give the Lakers a 10 mil TE for whatever is left over for the player they send out. The Lakers can exercise using this trade exemption for another trade that involves a player(s) that is equal or less than the trade exemption they just received from the Portland deal, with a $100,000 buffer.
     
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    Any time there is a large difference in salary in a deal, a team acquires a TPE. The Lakers would receive a TPE in the amount of $$ different between Matthews and Howard. We are not giving them a TPE. You don't give TPEs, they are created in lopsided deals.
     
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    True, but then if you think about it; they didn't have a TPE until the team gives up their salary cap to create the TPE; therefor the TPE is given by the team absorbing the contract.
     

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