Who would you trade Lillard for?

If that trade happens, I'm a Heat fan.

 

Because it would make us infinitely worse.. Pretty obviously. Davis will never be any more of a franchise player than LaMarcus is. And Lillard is already more of a franchise player to build around than Aldridge.

 

Davis has more upside then Aldridge does. I not saying he will get there necessarily but he tops out better than a LMA. Doesn't mean I would trade Lillard for him so that part I agree with.

 

You can save your gross exaggerations.

Davis's advanced statistics are comparable to Aldridge's, and Davis is a 20 year old rookie. You're entitled to your opinion, but you can't blame people for being optimistic about Davis's prospects as a player.

We can revisit this in a couple of years, but I wouldn't be surprised if Davis hits superstardom and Lillard never does.

 

The one big ?? about Davis is his health, he had a lot of problems as a rookie and he is built like a twig so a big question of health comes into consideration. Talent wise its not close, Davis is the better prospect but i'm a little worried about how he held up his rookie season.

 

He proved he was the best player in the draft, so only a moron would trade him.

 

Only because he played a bunch of minutes.

 

The guy is one big nagging injury though.

 

Because of the position he plays, contract, skill, and what seems like a positive view of Portland, I do not know if I trade him for anyone. Not saying he is the best player, but hard to find a better fit.

 

Kyrie Irving

 

How did he do that?

 

From Dave on Blazersedge:

Today we continue with our tour of the Portland Trail Blazers roster, taking stock of Portland's current assets in an effort to discover what--and how much--the Blazers need to add over the summer. Yesterday we looked at LaMarcus Aldridge. Today we'll study Portland's other star, and burgeoning favorite son, Damian Lillard.

Within a month of its inception the 2012-13 season morphed from an exercise in patience into a coronation parade towards Damian Lillard's enshrinement as the NBA's Rookie of the Year. As the marching band wound its way from November to April Lillard captured every single Western Conference Rookie of the Month honor. (This begs the question, "What other significant rookies played in the West?" But we'll leave that alone...) He broke the rookie record for three pointers while leading all rookies in scoring, assists, minutes played, and just about every other category you could name. It's the kind of first-year impact that everybody in the lottery dreams of, but few ever achieve. The only accurate summation of Lillard's rookie performance is that it was great. End of story.

This isn't the end of Lillard's career, of course. Blazer fans hear comparisons like, "Only Oscar Robertson and Allen Iverson have ever done this" and forecast a Hall-of-Fame progression going forward. How realistic is that? In what areas did Lillard excel in absolute terms (as opposed to "for a rookie") and in what areas might he be expected to grow?

Lillard's gaudy statistical production can be traced to a single word: volume. Damian played the most minutes of anybody in the NBA this year. He laughs at Kevin Durant's paltry number, scoffs at James Harden, looks down his nose at Kobe Bryant. At this point you'd need a can opener and an acetylene torch to get him out of the Iron Man suit.

But those huge minutes also color phrases like "most three-pointers ever" and "9th most points scored this year". Damian's numbers were wind-aided. He got more chances than anybody else. The positive here is that his team could trust him with that much responsibility. On the flip side, you're hoping the guy won't be playing the most minutes in the league year after year, lest he wear out prematurely. You also anticipate he'll have stronger teammates around him to soak up some of his scoring chances. If everything goes right, those volume-based numbers are going to go down, not up. Will his performance suffer if his minutes dip?

Consider also that once past his rookie season Lillard will become one of a large crop of young, talented point guards. Nobody's going to care about production "for a rookie" or raw numbers for their own sake. Efficiency, not frequency, will measure Lillard's future. He'll need to produce more in fewer minutes to keep the attention he's earned so far.

Fortunately this is one of the areas in which experience will help. Like Aldridge, Lillard spent the first part of the season adjusting to a new system in which less efficient shots are the norm. By the time he got comfortable in the offense, defenses had also honed in on him. Next year he'll be prepared for both. Lillard also deserves credit for the kind of maturity that will not let him sit on his laurels. From what we've seen of his personality and approach to the game, scoring 19 a game and earning a fat contract will not be enough for him. He wants to become a star. He wants to win. He understands his own role in that process. He's going to get better. The questions are, in which areas and how much?

Make no mistake, Lillard needs to get better. Let's push aside the awards and accolades and compare Lillard to three other young, promising point guards: Kyrie Irving, Stephen Curry, and Jrue Holiday.

.......

You can see how the phrase "Historical Rookie Season" rests on sheer volume of minutes and touches. Lillard didn't finish first in any of these categories even when comparing rookie seasons to rookie seasons. The story gets worse when you compare numbers straight across regardless of experience. That Lillard belongs on this chart of young, hot point guard is obvious. But his only advantage over Irving and Curry so far has been durability. The production numbers say he tends towards the Holiday end of the scale.

Lillard has skill, talent, poise, determination, and star power. Experience should inform him how to take better advantage of those things. BUT...he's going to have to make some significant jumps before you begin talking about him in the same sentence as the league's best point guards. He needs to tighten up his game before he can get into the conversation about the league's best young point guard even.

How much ceiling does Lillard have left? Getting from 19 to 20 points per game isn't much of a stretch even if his overall minutes go down. Can he ever get to that 22-24 ppg level that defines superstars in this league? Will he hit the 44%+ field goal shooting percentage that makes such a level practical or get his three-point percentage any closer to 40%?

If Lillard does need another star-level scorer alongside him (besides Aldridge) you have to start worrying about defense. Damian's defensive rating was worse than anybody's on the team outside of Eric Maynor. That's not likely to change anytime soon. This year we saw the consequences of playing two poor defenders in the same lineup. If you sub in a shot-blocking center do you put even more scoring pressure on the rest of the lineup? Where are you going to find a guy who scores heavy, keeps defenders off of Damian's back, and can hold his own on the defensive end, allowing Lillard to be Lillard? Even if the kid is great, constructing a viable team around him isn't a slam dunk proposition.

The Blazers are in a good position going forward with Lillard in pocket. Both Lillard and the team will need to put in work if the relationship is to bear fruit, however. Oscar Robertson comparisons don't tell the story. The standing ovation for Lillard's Rookie of the Year season has to be followed by some serious planning for the future. The parade is over. Now the real work begins.

 

OregonHuskerMan's avatar is the only worthwhile reason to view this thread.

 

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Yep Dave, it has nothing to do with Lillard's skill. His minutes, and his minutes only, made him hit all of those shots and pass out all of those assists.

I'd much rather he only played 24 mpg, so the Blazers could have challenged for worst team ever. I'd even venture to guess that Lillard's PER would be higher, because he wouldn't be carrying the team on his back.

 

As much as it sounds blasphemous, Damian Lillard's per 36 performance this year was about equivalent to Raymond Felton this year. Similar FG% and 3P%, similar PERs. And Felton has played pretty well for NYK this year on a team that's going to play at least four more games than Portland this year. If that's Lillard's floor, I'm pretty okay with that.

http://bkref.com/tiny/Fzk2F (sort on FG% to see how close he was to Felton).

Now, this means he has to improve for us to succeed long-term. This is where Rasta's insanity comes in. One method is to play to his current strengths as a chucker. Another is to see how he does next season after a summer with The Glove, and plan versus that.

 

Biggest difference is defenses paid a shit load more attention to Lillard than they did Felton. A lot easier to put up #s when people aren't focused on you.

 

That's only true because Lillard played more minutes than Felton, though.

 

I ask again: does anyone seriously believe that (barring injury) Lillard will turn out to be the best player in this draft? The real question is, will he turn out to be a ROY like Damon Stoudamire (who similarly benefited from being NBA ready and getting lots of minutes and lots of shots) or like Brandon Roy? Both Stoudamire and Roy were more mature rookies, but Roy surprised us all by nonetheless improving significantly. Stoudamire stagnated, particularly when traded to a better team.

Right now we have to hope Lillard can be as good as Stephen Curry. I think Curry has better passing skills, though. Lillard might turn out to be a Mike Bibby: kind of one-dimensional but really clutch. Best case scenario is Chauncey Billups, I think.

I would love for Lillard to play on the Summer League team, but play without taking a shot, just to work on running a team and playing D. Of course he doesn't have to, but wouldn't everybody gush if he did?

 

No, you'd probably come on here complaining that what he does best is score, and he didn't take a damn shot.

 

Ain't I a stinker?