Javale McGee

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  1. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    I want us to take a chance on him, especially if we don't give up much to get him. But Aldridge isn't really a mentor. He seems more of a follower than a leader
     
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    Actually he really never needs to post up IMO. All we need from our center (On the offense end) is to be able to set screens, handle a pass when wide open, be able to dribble a few times and then dunk it. Plus have the ability to shoot free throws so he can actually play late in games. No post up game is required. Just enough offense so the other team has to guard him.

    So for McGee the free throw issue is a problem IMO, however it seems like most defensive centers suck at the line.
     
  3. The Dude

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    It looks like successful teams are able to pound the ball inside in the playoffs. The game slows down a lot, and unless you are a team like Golden State who hits an odd amount of 3's, then you have to have an inside game. Draw fouls and punish the defense for not double teaming. It would be nice to be able to throw the ball inside and watch a center destroy the other team, or be able to pass out to a wide open Damian, Wes or Nic. Marc Gasol seems to be a good defensive center who doesn't block a ton of shots. Maybe that stat isn't all that important?
     
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    True but how many center can do that better than LMA? Let alone centers who are available. Do we need both our bigs doing it?

    Now I know some will say LMA doesn't do it enough and that may be true. But the game is changing and the little guys with handles who can score need the ball in their hands, not big guys who all seem to have poor handles and horrible free throw shooting ability. Yes there are exceptions, but not many.

    Sure I would like to have a center who can do it all, but let's be realistic, are we going to find one? I will take one with the skills I mentioned above. i am not greedy. Teaching McGee to post up is a waste of time.
     
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    This isn't a conversation to be having about a guy making 11m a year.If he was on a rookie contract or a small to medium contract sure take a shot at him and if he doesn't live up to his hype you let him walk but since he is making so much money just ignore this bonehead and walk away. He is a horrible defender/help defender and his only upsides are Elite athleticism/length, good rebounder, good at blocking shots. He doesn't do anything else well at all and is usually a detriment to his team on the court. If George Karl can't turn him into a good defender/team player I don't think any coach will.
    It seems like people are trying to talk themselves into him because he is our only real option at a young C, but its a bad option. We would be better set at bringing in Journeymen centers and spending the rest of the capspace on other targets then going all out for a knucklehead that people will be bitching about for 3 years about how stupid he is.
     
  6. The Dude

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    The Dude is no stat guy, so bear with me.

    If you look at centers, or guys who could legitimately play center, who average 4.5 FTA per 36 minutes and played at least 1200 minutes you get

    Howard
    Amare (including him because he normally plays a lot)
    Cousins
    B Lopez
    Pekovic
    Nene
    Duncan
    Favors
    Monroe
    Splitter
    Blatche
    Speights
    Mahinmi
    McGee
    Drummond
    Aldridge
    Jordan
    Valanciunas

    Now take those players and keep the ones who shot 70% or better from the FT line, and you that leaves.

    Duncan
    Aldridge
    Amare
    Valanciunas
    Speights
    B Lopez
    Pekovic
    Cousins
    Splitter
    Nene

    And one last offensive stat I like would be where they are shooting from. Majority of shots within 10 feet.

    Duncan
    Amare
    Valanciunas
    Speights
    B Lopez
    Pekovic
    Cousins
    Splitter
    Nene

    I am going to eliminate Duncan because we have literally no shot at him. Some of the other guys are probably out of reach too, but at least there is a chance.

    Now to defense. The Dude has no idea what the best measure is for defense, so I will look at PER for and against

    Amare - 23.0 for. 13.6 against (it was equally impressive last year)
    Valanciunas - 16.2 for. 17.3 against
    Speights - 18.4 for. 21.0 against
    B Lopez - 25.6 for. 17.3 against
    Pekovic - 21.2 for. 15.8 against
    Cousins - 20.7 for. 19.4 against
    Splitter - 21.6 for. 14.5 against
    Nene - 18.6 for. 14.3 against

    So as crude as this is. Taking injury, age, availability, etc into account. I think we should go after...

    Pekovic


    I didn't before starting that ridiculously long post.
     
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    Splitter and Nene are options as well. Problem with going after Pek is you can give him max and they still might match. (Doubt they match max but the will match a high contract). The guy isn't a max player.
     
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  8. mook

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    If having a center who can draw free throws is such an important commodity, how come nearly everybody on your list isn't in the playoffs anymore?

    Meanwhile, pretty much every team still alive in the playoffs has a starting big man or two relied on mostly for solid defense and rebounding. We have none.
     
  9. The Dude

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    Is that the case? I hadn't noticed?

    Still, is it the fault of the player? I mean is Lillard a bad player because he isn't in the playoffs?

    Miami doesn't have that guy
    OKC has a player in Perkins that does ok
    SA has Duncan and Splitter (on the list)
    Brooklyn has Lopez (on the list)
    Chicago has Noah, who doesn't shoot a lot of FT's, but a good %. Is he a good defender, or is the system good?
    Clippers have that guy in Jordan (missed the list due to poor FT%. met everything else)
    Indiana obviously has Hibbert
    Atl doesn't have that guy
    Memphis doesn't
    Houston does and would have been out without the Westbrook injury
    Boston doesn't
    NY has Chandler and Amare (on the list)
    GS doesn't
    Lakers do and are out
    Denver does and is out
    Milwaukee does and is out

    The Dude is not sure your statement is correct?
     
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    Good posts The Dude. But you forget that GS has Bogut.
     
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    Marc Gasol isn't a good defensive big?
     
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    Yes, but he doesn't rebound?
     
  13. The Dude

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    Man, I answered this question. Marc Gasol is not relied on mostly for solid defense. He happens to be a good defender as well as a great offensive center
     

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