Elton Brand not a superstar? :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: Please do tell me CB4, since when is a MVP candidate not a superstar?
Dude, Elton Brand is not a superstar. The superstars are Lebron, TMac, AI, KG, Duncan, Wade, and maybe Dirk.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Sep 8 2006, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I did, but then I agreed that Bosh is not a superstar. I was like you. My ranking of a superstar was too easy-going. Brand and Bosh are both great players, but not superstars.BTW, Josh Howard, Hinrich, Kaman, and Ford will all be great players, to go along with the 4 greats.</div>lol I would never consider a player like Bosh a superstar at this point in his career. He hasn't had any success teamwise in his career so far. Brand can be considered a superstar now. He averaged 25 ppg, 10 rpg, and 2.5 bpg includign leading the Clippers into a very successful season. He was an MVP candidate most of the season and was a true leader. I'm pretty sure if he stays like this he can be considered a superstar.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Sep 8 2006, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dude, Elton Brand is not a superstar. The superstars are Lebron, TMac, AI, KG, Duncan, Wade, and maybe Dirk.</div>Yes your right CB4, the same guy that said Bosh is a superstar is saying Brand isn't one. Did you watch him against Phoenix in the playoffs? I guess not.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Sep 8 2006, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>lol I would never consider a player like Bosh a superstar at this point in his career. He hasn't had any success teamwise in his career so far. Brand can be considered a superstar now. He averaged 25 ppg, 10 rpg, and 2.5 bpg includign leading the Clippers into a very successful season. He was an MVP candidate most of the season and was a true leader. I'm pretty sure if he stays like this he can be considered a superstar.</div>He is a borderline superstar, but not yet. Maybe if he has another even better season then he could be considered a superstar. The line between an All Star, and a Superstar is alot larger than you make it out to be. I know Bosh isnt a superstar. I already admitted that. But he has the potential to be. He averaged 22 and 9 in his 3rd season. Being an MVP candidate doesnt make you a superstar. Is Chauncey Billups also a superstar? No. Beingt an MVP candidate doesnt mean that you are a top 5 player in the League.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ Sep 8 2006, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes your right CB4, the same guy that said Bosh is a superstar is saying Brand isn't one. Did you watch him against Phoenix in the playoffs? I guess not.</div>F*ck off, man. I already retracted that statement.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Sep 8 2006, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He is a borderline superstar, but not yet. Maybe if he has another even better season then he could be considered a superstar. The line between an All Star, and a Superstar is alot larger than you make it out to be. I know Bosh isnt a superstar. I already admitted that. But he has the potential to be. He averaged 22 and 9 in his 3rd season. Being an MVP candidate doesnt make you a superstar. Is Chauncey Billups also a superstar? No. Beingt an MVP candidate doesnt mean that you are a top 5 player in the League.F*ck off, man. I already retracted that statement.</div>Chauncey isn't a superstar, Brand isn't a superstar. What's next, all of a sudden LeBron isn't a superstar either!? He wasn't only a MVP candidate, he was sixth in votes I believe, which is great. Also, even if you did take back that statement you still said it and it was a pretty dumb one. I'll make sure to make a poll now to see if Brand is a superstar or not.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Sep 8 2006, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He is a borderline superstar, but not yet. Maybe if he has another even better season then he could be considered a superstar. The line between an All Star, and a Superstar is alot larger than you make it out to be. I know Bosh isnt a superstar. I already admitted that. But he has the potential to be. He averaged 22 and 9 in his 3rd season. Being an MVP candidate doesnt make you a superstar. Is Chauncey Billups also a superstar? No. Beingt an MVP candidate doesnt mean that you are a top 5 player in the League.F*ck off, man. I already retracted that statement.</div>Dude this guy isn't like CB4. Was my only point that he was an MVP candidate? No it wasn't. The guy had great numbers this season and lead a team everyone was expecting to suck into the 2nd round of the playoffs with a decent seeding in the very tough Western Conference. Tell me how he isn't a super star after that?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Heatfan32 @ Sep 8 2006, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Chauncey isn't a superstar, Brand isn't a superstar. What's next, all of a sudden LeBron isn't a superstar either!? He wasn't only a MVP candidate, he was sixth in votes I believe, which is great. Also, even if you did take back that statement you still said it and it was a pretty dumb one. I'll make sure to make a poll now to see if Brand is a superstar or not.</div>That's where I lost interest in debating this with you.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Sep 8 2006, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dude this guy isn't like CB4. Was my only point that he was an MVP candidate? No it wasn't. The guy had great numbers this season and lead a team everyone was expecting to suck into the 2nd round of the playoffs with a decent seeding in the very tough Western Conference. Tell me how he isn't a super star after that?</div>Because he doesnt fit in with the likes who are superstars, just yet.
The same guy who said a finals MVP isn't a superstar, I'm the one who shouldn't be wasting my time with you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Sep 8 2006, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's where I lost interest in debating this with you.</div>Chauncey can easily be defined a superstar and is arguably the most underrated player in the game by people who don't actually follow it much. He is probably the best all around PG in the league behind Kidd but has actually won a ring. The guy can do so much. He is a great passer and can set anyone up when he wants. He is a great playmaker as well whether it's setting himself up or not. He can shoot well especially from 3 point range or take it to the baseline well. He is one of the best defenders in the league. He is a leader and has had success for mostly all of his career. Last he is increddibly clutch and can take control of the game when he needs to.
OMG. Jesus Christ.Chauncey is a great player, but he just isnt at a superstar level. He doesnt fit in with Lebron James, TMac, AI, and others are superstar guards.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Sep 8 2006, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OMG. Jesus Christ.Chauncey is a great player, but he just isnt at a superstar level. He doesnt fit in with Lebron James, TMac, AI, and others are superstar guards.</div>Why because he doesn't get as much publicity as those guys? Honeslty tell me why. He has had success throughout his career and has as much talent as those guys. Every player you have listed as a superstar are just players that get the most publicity.
Because he isnt even a top 10 player. Thats why. Goddamn, it stop bothering me. Im not going to reply to this anymore. I just want my debate judged.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Sep 8 2006, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because he isnt even a top 10 player. Thats why. Goddamn, it stop bothering me. Im not going to reply to this anymore. I just want my debate judged.</div>Your not answering my question at all. By that statement you just proved nothing. He isn't a top 10 player? Why? Because he doesn't get much media coverage? I guess that makes all the difference even though the guy is one of the most talented player out there. He has had more team success in his career also than most of these so called suoer stars you listed.
In no order:LebronWadeKGDuncanTMacAIDirkKobeShaqYaoAll are better players. Okay, I lied about not replying.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Sep 8 2006, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In no order:LebronWadeKGDuncanTMacAIDirkKobeShaqYaoAll are better players. Okay, I lied about not replying.</div>Yao??? LMAO wow dude. Yao does not have more talent than Billups. I'm not one of those haters who says Yao sucks and is incredibly overrated but to sya he has more actual talent then Billups is rediculous. Billups is more clutch, a better leader, more versatile scorer, etc. etc.
Who said anything about talent? Yao averages 22 and 10, and plays solid defense. He is the best, or 2nd best Center in the League, and yeah, better than Billups.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Sep 8 2006, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who said anything about talent? Yao averages 22 and 10, and plays solid defense. He is the best, or 2nd best Center in the League, and yeah, better than Billups.</div>Ok if you want to use stats that's cool with me. Chauncey averaged 18.5ppg, 8.5 apg, while shooting 90% from the free throw line and 43 % from 3 point range, and only averaged 2 tpg which is great for a pg who actually is the playmaker. He also lead his team to the best record in the league, actually stayed healthy and reliable, actually got his team into the playoffs and led them to the ECF. Not too mention he plays superb defense and not just solid d. Oh yeah Billups actually has a basketball IQ and knows what he's doing out there.
Anyways, back to the actual debate...Winner: CB4AllStarHe just made his case more clearly, and there is absolutely no way in hell the 2003 draft class can be considered better than the 1984 or the 1996 draft class at this point in time. The players have only been in the league three years... it's impossible.
