Bill Gates...

Discussion in 'Blazers OT Forum' started by MickZagger, May 12, 2013.

  1. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    31,865
    Likes Received:
    5,785
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Commercial Real Estate
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    Indirectly, Denny. Indirectly. :)

    All that being said, while seemingly "lucking" his way early on into his mass fortune opportunities, he's since worked very hard to grow them....and, apparently, is giving back in the same manner. Outstanding!
     
  2. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    I think he realizes a fool would let the government have his money to spend upon his death.
     
  3. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    31,865
    Likes Received:
    5,785
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Commercial Real Estate
    Location:
    Nashville, TN

    Although a different application, Warren Buffett apparently feels the same way:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_&_Melinda_Gates_Foundation


     
  4. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    There's a whole cabal of $billionaires who've pledged to give away their fortunes to charity before they die rather than give it to the govt. in the form of death tax.

    Bloomberg is another in that group.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Giving_Pledge
     
  5. mobes23

    mobes23 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    1,254
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Lol -- I'm guessing that's a green font quote.
     
  6. mobes23

    mobes23 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    1,254
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    48
    I don't think avoiding estate tax is the main reason they're doing this...it's a whole lot more about doing some good with their money.
     
  7. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    Well, if they thought government would do good with their money, they'd just let the estate tax kick in.
     
  8. porkchopexpress

    porkchopexpress Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2008
    Messages:
    1,628
    Likes Received:
    60
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Something such as the golden rule isn't a virtue because it is in the bible. It is in the bible because it is a good thing.
     
  9. porkchopexpress

    porkchopexpress Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2008
    Messages:
    1,628
    Likes Received:
    60
    Trophy Points:
    48
    He has stated that he doesn't believe his kids (or anyone i believe) should inherit so much wealth. He is leaving them each only (I use that term very loosely) 10M. I saw him donate 80-160M (80M +up to another 80M to match what the school raised) to his HS back when I was in college, so I think its more that he thinks his money is better served helping others than setting up his kids, grandkids, great grandkids and great great grandkids up for life.
     
  10. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    I guess I'm not being clear.

    If he thought government was better suited to putting his money to good use, he'd make sure his money went to the government.

    Apparently he feels he can do better spending his money on charitable causes better than the government can.

    Make sense?
     
  11. Sedatedfork

    Sedatedfork Rip City Rhapsody

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2008
    Messages:
    7,981
    Likes Received:
    4,389
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Seattle
    Slightly off thread... just saw Penn and Teller last night at the Rio. Loved it.
     
  12. porkchopexpress

    porkchopexpress Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2008
    Messages:
    1,628
    Likes Received:
    60
    Trophy Points:
    48
    No, I get that. I just don't think it has anything to do with avoiding the estate tax. If every multi millionaire decided to donate 99% of their wealth when they died, then I'd be ok with that.
     
  13. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    Well how many atheists do you know say "Doing God's work?"
     
  14. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,978
    Likes Received:
    10,673
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    In some cases, the guys are spending a lot of their time managing their foundations. A duplication of govt. efforts to eradicate disease, for example (Gates Foundation).

    I don't think they're avoiding the estate tax per se. They want as little going to the govt. as possible. The list of these $billionaires is on that WikiPedia page. Every one of them took the pledge - to keep their wealth away from govt.
     
  15. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    The Clinton Global Initiative is a pretty damn good foundation too. Our company has worked with a few ambassadors for Haiti, Peru and Northern Africa. They establish good farming practices to help combat hunger.
     
  16. Further

    Further Guy

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2008
    Messages:
    11,099
    Likes Received:
    4,039
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Stuff doer
    Location:
    Place
    As I stated, I have heard Adam Carolla say it many times. I have used the term as well. You will often find the subgroup of atheists that don't believe, but understand and are fine with those who do believe , to use terms like this. Basically, it's a good phrase that doesn't have a good sounding atheist alternative. Like is somone sneezes, I will often say Bless you since the only alternative is German and I have more aingst with those Jew Killers (mostly joking).

    Anyway, many atheists don't really care that everyone always knows they are atheist. In December, I often say Merry Christmass if I think the person will appreciate it. And being a Jewish atheist, wishing Merry C is far more than saying "doing gods work".
     
  17. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    See I find this hard to believe. I mean if you said he was agnostic; then that statement holds true. But in terms of an atheist; you will be extremely outward and specific to not pronounce a God exists.

    I see Gates as a spiritual man. Someone that believes there is more purpose than himself. He may not believe in what I believe; but he is definitely "spiritual" and believes in a higher power of some kind.

    If he was an atheist; then I believe he would choose other words to describe the work.
     
  18. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Messages:
    59,328
    Likes Received:
    5,588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Cracking fools in the skull
    Location:
    Lancaster, California
    It seems Gates is more of an agnostic. In this interview; he said this:

    And his political views are more libertarian too.

    Here is a list of his political contributions.

    This guy gates sounds a lot like Denny! ;)
     
  19. Further

    Further Guy

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2008
    Messages:
    11,099
    Likes Received:
    4,039
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Stuff doer
    Location:
    Place
    I just don't agree. I think he is someone who wants to share the praise with those who are actually no the ground and doing the work. Those people, like most people in the world, are religious. By using that term you are patting them on the back and maki g sure they know they are appreciated.

    But the truth is, we don't know. All I said was that Penn Jilette said Gates was an Atheist and a Libretarian. I am not a Libretarian, but that's did not matter, I was just repeating what someone else said. You may feel that he is like you, I may feel that he is like me. Neither of us know him. We have not read an answer from him regarding belief in god. With our current information, the correct answer is unknown.
     
  20. Further

    Further Guy

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2008
    Messages:
    11,099
    Likes Received:
    4,039
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Stuff doer
    Location:
    Place
    Once again, this goes back to your definition of atheist as being different than my definition. I would echo exactly what gates said, but I don't believe there is a god. If you use your definition to define something then confusion will arise.
     

Share This Page