IRS Targeted Conservative Groups

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  1. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I wonder if all of these scandals are being intentionally dropped at once? It's the news equivalent of the "Friday Night Document Dump" or the accounting equivalent of "Taking A Bath". People can only pay attention to so much. Each one of these scandals on their own would dominate a news cycle. Together, the press can only choose one or two.

    The Obama Administration could be playing it very smart. They'll have a bad few weeks and then it will fizzle out and they'll put all this stuff behind them.
     
  2. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    While he's got us all distracted by the scandals, he's able to go about planning to confiscate all the guns without being questioned about that.
     
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    blazerboy30 Well-Known Member

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    Why is it a non-issue?
     
  4. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Because it doesn't affect people with whom he agrees. If it were the Bush Administration screening groups with the word "progressive" or "liberal" in it, Fez would be one of the first screaming bloody murder.

    I would be equally angry if the above were the case. I don't ask for favoritism, just equal treatment under the law. It obviously didn't occur here.
     
  5. blazerboy30

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    Yes, I agree and knew that is why. I just wanted to see Fez try to type out some incoherent excuse.
     
  6. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    My bad.
     
  7. Masbee

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    Bizarre viewpoint.

    You are mashing two issues together in a way that lets the IRS and the Obama Admin off the hook.

    Politically motivated and biased application of regulations is one issue - the issue of this scandal.

    Campaign Finance laws and rules are another.

    Congress could completely rewrite campaign finance laws (or even scrap them all entirely), and it wouldn't change the crimes committed, nor excuse them, nor wipe out the scandal.

    The facts as we know them now are that right wing groups were specifically targeted, left wing groups were not, this occurred during a time that greatly affected certain groups ability to function, while allowing certain favored groups to proceed with their activities, that officials lied about this, that confidential information was released which is against the law.

    Based on your logic: "I know that there is a lot of abuse of deductions and I support the IRS going after people that do so. I know that checking for excessive deductions is a rather simple process, but I am ok with the IRS handling this problem by launching full-bore "anal-probe" audits to solve this problem. In addition, I am not particularly bothered by the IRS selecting their audit targets by focusing on registered Republicans."
     
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    yep

    if informed obama supporters can see what is going on and still make excuses for him, how can we expect the uninformed to take offence..give it afew weeks and all will be back as it was..
     
  9. Denny Crane

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    WHAT CRIME WAS COMMITTED?

    Sorry for the all caps. I want you to notice the question.

    Not raising as much money as Obama really affected McCain campaign's ability to function. That's life.
     
  10. Denny Crane

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    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...-that-fed-tea-party-row.html?alcmpid=politics

    IRS Sent Same Letter to Democrats That Fed Tea Party Row

    The Internal Revenue Service, under pressure after admitting it targeted anti-tax Tea Party groups for scrutiny in recent years, also had its eye on at least three Democratic-leaning organizations seeking nonprofit status.


    One of those groups, Emerge America, saw its tax-exempt status denied, forcing it to disclose its donors and pay some taxes. None of the Republican groups have said their applications were rejected.

    Progress Texas, another of the organizations, faced the same lines of questioning as the Tea Party groups from the same IRS office that issued letters to the Republican-friendly applicants. A third group, Clean Elections Texas, which supports public funding of campaigns, also received IRS inquiries.

    ...

    Tax (GDP%NPOT) agency officials told lawmakers in a briefing yesterday that 471 groups received additional scrutiny, a total that indicates a crackdown on politically active nonprofit groups that extends beyond the Tea Party outfits.

    ...

    In early 2011, the IRS denied the tax-exempt status of an affiliate of the San Francisco-based Emerge America, which trains Democratic women to run for office. The agency said it was disqualified because the group’s activities were “conducted primarily for the benefit of a political party and a private group of individuals, rather than the community as a whole.”

    The decision was a surprise because four of Emerge America’s affiliates and its main headquarters already had been approved as nonprofits.
    The tax agency on Oct. 21, 2011, revoked those approvals. The national organization and its state affiliates are now incorporated under Section 527 of the tax code.

    “We didn’t even get the opportunity to answer questions,” said Karen Middleton, president of Emerge America. “We would have welcomed the opportunity to respond to a questionnaire.”

    An Austin, Texas-based group, Progress Texas, received a letter from the IRS in February 2013 when it sought nonprofit status. The letter came from the agency’s Laguna Niguel, California, office, which sent essentially the same queries to Republican-leaning groups.

    As with the Tea Party groups, the IRS sought copies of promotional materials, backgrounds of officers, meeting minutes and specifics about activities, such as get-out-the-vote drives, that the organization said it would conduct.
     
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    Stop playing dumb. We all know there is a difference between a non-issue and a crime being committed. The fact that you keep deflecting and using the strawman of a crime not being committed shows how desperate you're getting.
     
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  14. Denny Crane

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    I quoted his post where HE claimed there was a crime. My "strawman" is asking him what the fuck crime he's talking about?

    There was none, right?
     
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    You asked me about 5 times what crime was committed after I never claimed a crime was committed. That's on the verge of:

     
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    Yes.

    And vice-versa.
     
  18. Masbee

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    You think Obama Admin officials resign when there is no crime?

    These guys never resign, and never admit to anything.

    Now, they suddenly are dropping like flies. Why do you think that is?

    Name every single time the Obama Admin said they were going to start an investigation and look for possible CRIMINAL investigations?

    Waiting.....

    These guys never admit to Executive Branch possible crimes.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/14/us-usa-tax-irs-idUSBRE94D12A20130514


    IRS employees dissemination of confidential records. Felony.

    http://www.propublica.org/article/i...ed-tea-party-also-disclosed-confidential-docs

    Using IRS powers to target political opponents is also a crime. Violation of Civil Rights.
     
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    You are confusing incompetence with criminal activity.

    People are fired or forced to resign due to incompetence.

    Dropping like flies? Seriously?

    Looks to me like the IRS incompetently sent a handful of unapproved applications to propublica by accident and immediately threatened them with criminal action if they published them. Looks like they realized right away they made a mistake. No wink and nod, "here's stuff to go publish to damage our political opponents.:"

    http://www.propublica.org/article/what-karl-roves-dark-money-nonprofit-told-the-irs

    The IRS sent Crossroads' application to ProPublica in response to a public-records request. The document sent to ProPublica didn't include an official IRS recognition letter, which is typically attached to applications of nonprofits that have been recognized. The IRS is only required to give out applications of groups recognized as tax-exempt.

    In an email Thursday, an IRS spokeswoman said the agency had no record of an approved application for Crossroads GPS, meaning that the group's application was still in limbo.

    "It has come to our attention that you are in receipt of application materials of organizations that have not been recognized by the IRS as tax-exempt," wrote the spokeswoman, Michelle Eldridge. She cited a law saying that publishing unauthorized returns or return information was a felony punishable by a fine of up to $5,000 and imprisonment of up to five years, or both. The IRS would not comment further on the Crossroads application.

    "ProPublica believes that the information we are publishing is not barred by the statute cited by the IRS, and it is clear to us that there is a strong First Amendment interest in its publication," said Richard Tofel, ProPublica's general manager.

    ProPublica has redacted parts of the application to omit Crossroads' financial information.
     
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    We have a dead body - the improperly leaked data.

    We don't PRESUME it was a mistake in advance, unless you are an apologist for criminals.

    We wait until a complete investigation is launched and completed.

    Until today there was none.

    Now there is.

    Why?

    To look for a CRIME.

    Jesus you are dense.

    There are several other recent accusations of confidential IRS data of opponents to Obama being released other than the ProPublica flap. That was just one example.
     
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