Blazers rebuffing Cavs' offers for Aldridge

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  1. PapaG

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    I didn't dissect Brian's lengthy posts. You did reference them, though, as some sort of proof about LMA.

    I think BrianfromWA has lengthy post that try to validate his own view on players.

    The "Best of 3" post today was garbage, and I did notice that eblazer tried at least to argue with the false premise BrianFromWA was trying to present as reality.
     
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    The "proof" about LMA is from stats, not "words in a lengthy garbage post." I notice that you couldn't/chose not to answer any of the "Best of 3" questions that came up, like which needle-moving big you were going to get to make Option 2 or 3 work, and how you expected to win going forward.

    But hey, keep on keepin' on!
     
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    You gave three options, and three options only. eblazer dissected your third option. Frankly, I don't really read your posts much anymore, because you've admitted that they are based on hypothetical scenarios.
     
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    That explains a lot, actually.

    I'm sure you could just hang your hat on "LMA's an All-Star BEST PF IN THE LEAGUE never gonna ever leave post player extraordinaire YAR!" argument. I choose not to--partially because I don't believe much of that, and partially because the stats back it up.

    And there are huge differences between hypothetical scenarios, refutation of arguments and analysis.

    There ARE only 3 options until 2015. Trade him this summer, trade him over the next 2 years or don't trade him. Do you have another? I'm happy to see it. All I've seen so far is people saying "NO!" But I guess it takes a lot more to come up with reasons for why you feel the way you do rather than to just attack someone else's. Hence my "lengthy" posts. I've yet to see one from you since the Outlaw/Webster days.
     
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    eblazer's "dissection"
    This isn't about eblazer--in fact, I agree with some of what he's saying, but this is neither a papaG-level word parse or a refutation (or, honestly, what I'd call a "dissection", but that's open for debate). "Banking on Leonard quickly", "picking up an aging vet to buy some time" are part of what I'm talking about---that you have the team you have now, (maybe) plus #10 if you didn't trade it for your needle-moving stiff, no pick next year at all and the MLE next year to get better.
    What LMA may or may not get traded for is hypothetical...looking at the big picture of what assets you have going forward is analysis. Making decisions based on those analyses is strategy. Chess, not checkers. :cheers:
     
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    I just want my 7-0 $15M star to either own the paint, or try to. I don't want a Channing Frye-like specialist shooter.

    In Aldridge interviews, he answers 99% about his shooting and 0% about his defense. That shows his priorities.

    So I wouldn't mind trading him for a much younger player with equal talent (like the #1 pick of the draft, plus Waiters) and training the young guy the right way to play.
     
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    besides having similar size/length & game, LA has been wiping the floor when matched against Duncan for years now... look it up

    & whats a "true post player"? One who can't operate outside of the low block in half court sets? By that description Duncan isn't a true post player either. Again, LA plays on the high post when matched with a one dimensional low post only Big like JJ. He can also dominate on the low block when matched with a high post Big like Camby. I suspect the team wants to put LaMarcus down low again, which is part of why they turned the page on your guy JJ

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    Since you said to, I did. From the beginning of Aldridge's 3rd year, they've played 12 times, Portland winning 9 of those games. Aldridge has averaged 24, 7, 2.3 on 58.5% shooting, while Duncan has put up 15, 8.5, 2.25 on 48.6% shooting. I'm surprised at the disparity.
     
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    Ya LA seems to really get up for those DAL/SAS games. I really want to see what he can do if his minutes are cut down to like 35 per game and he doesn't have to try to bang with bigger guys on either end for half the game.

    I'm thinking his efficiency will improve vastly. As an aside, I expect the same for Dame with fewer minutes.
     
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    Karl Malone was a below average defender, yet considered one of the best power forwards in the game. Guess your entire premises got blown out of the water.
     
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    I think this is the key. We find enough help to have a capable back up pf; like a mark Bryant type player; and you can cut his minutes down.

    35 minutes a game is key for Aldridge because he knows he can bang harder and doesn't have to pace himself throughout the game:
     
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    Except that his premise was about 7-footers (of which Aldridge is one, whether he wants to admit it or not), not "power forwards". Plus, Malone was one of the greatest scorers the league has ever seen, which Aldridge is not, so that is not a very valid comparison.

    I always loved Mark Bryant (No Hibbert). I so wish we could get a clone of him on our bench.
     
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    Makes me think that maybe a player like gortat should be the target. He plays high post extremely well, great passer, and has a decent stroke from 10-12 feet to keep the defense honest.
     
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    Gortat doesn't really play out of the high post ever.
     
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    He said when a player focuses of the offensive end; which Malone did. So I believe it applies.

    Obviously Aldridge can't score like Malone; but Aldridge is a better defender.
     
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    Are you sure? All the games I see; I've seen him at that high pick and roll.
     
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    So there is a chance that Aldridge can get there? Those were years 12, 13, 14 in the league. Aldridge has only been in the league for 7 years. He's got 6 more years to develop that facet of his game. The years before 12, 13 and 14 where below average on the defensive end.
     
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    Honestly, if LMA can stay healthy enough I would not be surprised to see him there. With his decent footwork and long arms, and more savvy, he could certainly do it.
     
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    Everything is a negotiation. There are always terms that can be reached, it just depends on how far apart the two sides are.

    Having said that, I don't think Olshey is eager to get rid of Aldridge; I think he's going to want a pretty sweet deal to get rid of an all-star big man in his prime.
     

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