<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hang Eleven @ Sep 9 2006, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In other words, you're sending me off, saying don't ask me anything more, since I can't tell you. OKaaaayyy.</div>You asked what it mean and i told you. The verse was concering the prophet and the Quraishi tribe. It was war and Allah was telling the prophet what to do.And even if you read the verse without understanding the conext of it, it doesn't sound evil. Driving people out where they drove you out and killing them if they attack you isn't evil. It's call self defense. Basic human right.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Sep 9 2006, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You asked what it mean and i told you. The verse was concering the prophet and the Quraishi tribe. It was war and Allah was telling the prophet what to do.And even if you read the verse without understanding the conext of it, it doesn't sound evil. Driving people out where they drove you out and killing them if they attack you isn't evil. It's call self defense. Basic human right.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And kill them wherever you find them</div>Ya, that doesn't sound evil to me. Not one little bit. Uh-huh.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hang Eleven @ Sep 8 2006, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ya, that doesn't sound evil to me. Not one little bit. Uh-huh.</div>You forgot about the "and drive them out from where they drove you out" bit... therefore it is self-defense and reclaiming the territory that was once rightfully theres. If we are going to sit here and say that it is evil for the Muslims in that situation to defend themselves, then I guess self-defense in itself is evil as well, and anybody who practices it is evil too? That's like saying I'm an evil person if I killed somebody who broke into my house and stabbed me in the gut.While we're at it... I guess the Bible and Christianity is evil too, right? http://www.evilbible.com/Again... read in context. But I understand that it is hard for people who haven't really studied Islam and read the Quran to pick up on that. A lot of things in the Quran are implied, and trust me, if a person read the entire Quran they will be able to see how it isn't evil when taken in context.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Ya, that doesn't sound evil to me. Not one little bit. Uh-huh.</div>Again you fail to understand when the verse was revealed and the context. I'll give you an example since everyone on this board likes examples. Consider i persecute and murder members of your family for a good 13 years. I murder your whole extended family and exile you and your family to the desert. You flee for you and your family's life. You flee to a nation who are willing to expect you and help you. You after gaining considerable power plan to conquer your country. To me, you have the right to murder wherever you find your persecuters.Again it isn't evil. Not when put into context.
Well im a mormon. Sometimes it doesnt make sense or doesnt seem logical. But i like to believe its true. but i dont know. Any other mormons here.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Sep 4 2006, 02:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jesus existing doesn't explain the bible. There is still the Old Testament which had almost nothing to do with Jesus.</div>old testament had loads to do with jesus, his coming was prophecied almost a billion times.christianity is the way to go. Believe that jesus was god or you will spend eternity in hell(i don't wish that to happen so, don't be going all " christians want people to burn in hell" cause we don't). Jesus died on the cross, despite never doing anything wrong. He did that to save everyone from hell, if you choose to not believe in him you are throwing away a free pass into heaven.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bballfan92 @ Sep 9 2006, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>old testament had loads to do with jesus, his coming was prophecied almost a billion times.christianity is the way to go. Believe that jesus was god or you will spend eternity in hell(i don't wish that to happen so, don't be going all " christians want people to burn in hell" cause we don't). Jesus died on the cross, despite never doing anything wrong. He did that to save everyone from hell, if you choose to not believe in him you are throwing away a free pass into heaven.</div>I'm christian(Catholic) but calm down there buddy
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bballfan92 @ Sep 9 2006, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>old testament had loads to do with jesus, his coming was prophecied almost a billion times.christianity is the way to go. Believe that jesus was god or you will spend eternity in hell(i don't wish that to happen so, don't be going all " christians want people to burn in hell" cause we don't). Jesus died on the cross, despite never doing anything wrong. He did that to save everyone from hell, if you choose to not believe in him you are throwing away a free pass into heaven.</div>Hey guys, look, Christianity is evil because everybody who doesn't believe in Jesus will burn in hell!Now, before I get flamed for that, etc., just think about that and what people are saying about Islam...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bballfan92 @ Sep 10 2006, 06:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>old testament had loads to do with jesus, his coming was prophecied almost a billion times.christianity is the way to go. Believe that jesus was god or you will spend eternity in hell(i don't wish that to happen so, don't be going all " christians want people to burn in hell" cause we don't). Jesus died on the cross, despite never doing anything wrong. He did that to save everyone from hell, if you choose to not believe in him you are throwing away a free pass into heaven.</div>I doubt jesus would every say such a thing.
I hate it when people debate about the Islamic religion. I used to be Muslim (am Atheist now) and I found it humorous when people claimed that the Qu'ran tells Muslims to murder Christians. That's false. I've read the Qu'ran. There is no passage that even signals for Muslims to murder Christians "wherever they find them". That's total bullsh** and you know it's bullsh**!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Sep 9 2006, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey guys, look, Christianity is evil because everybody who doesn't believe in Jesus will burn in hell!Now, before I get flamed for that, etc., just think about that and what people are saying about Islam...</div>Except that is your fault for not being Christian. You are the evil one!lol.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Sep 9 2006, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Except that is your fault for not being Christian. You are the evil one!lol.</div>I know that was a joke, but it makes no sense... the people that are burning in hell are evil?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Sep 5 2006, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Islam makes the most sense to me, but that's not to say that the other religions don't make sense to me or whatever.The thing is that a lot of people only have a broad, general (and sometimes biased) knowledge of certain religions, therefore the religion they follow (or followed) will more than likely make the most sense to them since the have been following it (or followed it) for most of their lives. I doubt anybody here, including myself, has taken the time to actually sit down and read the religious teachings/books of every religion thoroughly enough to make a very informed judgement.</div>i think that sums it up man. you said what i couldn't think up.
http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran...IV0&byte=114839[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Sep 10 2006, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I guess you completely ignored or overlooked the entire "read in context" thing again, right?</div>Lol, it's the fact that he keeps on posting crap after you've explained it to him that makes him look stubborn.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bballfan92 @ Sep 9 2006, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>old testament had loads to do with jesus, his coming was prophecied almost a billion times.christianity is the way to go. Believe that jesus was god or you will spend eternity in hell(i don't wish that to happen so, don't be going all " christians want people to burn in hell" cause we don't). Jesus died on the cross, despite never doing anything wrong. He did that to save everyone from hell, if you choose to not believe in him you are throwing away a free pass into heaven.</div> Excuse me while I take a poop on my mom's bible.
Explain this: How can God (Jesus) be a human? and How can a God sacrifice himself and die for the Christians?? God is immortal; they do not die...so why did Jesus 'die'? And if my life was simply based on if I believe in Jesus and 'what he sacrificed for us' than I get a free pass to Heaven...than yea, my life wouldn't really have a purpose. What would be my limitations - I'd just splurge and do whatever feels good - why not? I'm going to Heaven anyway...The thing about Islam is it's very logical, it makes sense....- You are JUDGED by your own actions - if you lived a bad life according to the Qur'an - than you would be going to hell. Just because I believe in Prophet Mohammed and God - it doesn't mean I'm going to Heaven - I have to prove that I deserve Heaven - therefore my life has purpose; my goal is to be a good individual so I can reach Heaven.- Why do you think Muslims can't drink Alcohol? or eat Pork...or play Poker, or even have a girl friend?Alcohol / Drugs - it Harms your body - God doesn't want you to harm your body - it is his creation, and he wants to keep it pure of poisons.Pork - It has been scientifically proven that Pork no matter how much it is purified, it is not clean. I mean why would you want to eat an Animal that lives in the mud, has parasites eating at its skin, and many many many more things that make you not want to eat it. all these things make sense to me...also a big thing was the scientific miracles that are listed in the Qur'an...for example - there's this sweet description of how a baby is formed from coneception to birth - and it's very detailed! Scientists confirmed that the details that were in the Qur'an were impossible to know back when the Qur'an came down to Prophet Mohammed. also, the benefits of Honey, Olives (and Olive oil), Dates...all these things are listed in the Qur'an.there are SO many things that I can't even begin to list here...this is why Islam is for me...and it was MY decission.visit www.sultan.org if you want to know these things.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Pork - It has been scientifically proven that Pork no matter how much it is purified, it is not clean. I mean why would you want to eat an Animal that lives in the mud, has parasites eating at its skin, and many many many more things that make you not want to eat it.</div> Pigs don't live in mud, in the wild pigs are like any other animal, they have parasites and get dirty. In captivity they are forced to live in muddy conditions...what animal doesn't like to roll in the mud and get the biting bugs off of it?
