Can we admit that agnosticism is the logical way of thinking?

So atheists are just agnostic then?

PAt yourself on the back brother, this thread says you're logical!

 

First off, this is not my area of expertise, so I really just don't know. I have a very shabby understanding of the beginning of the universe, you would have to ask a theoretical physicist and even so, I don't know if it can be explained without a deep understanding of high level math.

I was not bringing up the Bozon in context of the beginning of the expansion, I was just bringing it into the discussion you and denny were having about seeing, touching, feeling .... in order to know something exists. I was just trying to bring up one example of something that was theorized via math, long before there was any proof. I was trying to explain that there is another way of answering questions other that what the senses tell you, there is complex reasoning as is done with math. I probably should have used a different example.

 

No. At least outside of the timeline, I don't.

EDIT: eternal would suggest you are asking within the timeline, and then my answer would be yes, or mostly yes with some potential caveats when the temperature was hot enough to alter or remove the laws of nature.

 

Most are, yes, the terms are not mutually exclusive.

when i congratulate myself, it's not my back that i pat.

 

My wife and I created 2 lives, and God was created in our image.

 

As somebody who is completely agnostic, I agree! The best part of being agnostic is that I don't have faith or a firm belief, either way, other than there are many things about life, the universe, etc. etc. that I simply do not understand.

I just want proof, but I will say I find those with atheistic faith more annoying and angry than the vast majority of those with religious faith that I know in real life.

 

They are exclusive. Atheism is a belief against theism, quite literally. Agnosticism is a 'belief' that things that aren't known, can't be known to exist. That doesn't mean they don't exist, they.

 

Spoken like the obvious agnostic that you are.

Christians believe in God.

Atheists know there is no god.

Agnostics don't know what to believe.

 

Buddhism

Theism or atheism?

I have to go with the latter.

 

Basically, theism and atheism address belief, and gnosticism and agnosticism address knowledge.

A few links.

http://atheism.wikia.com/wiki/Atheist_vs_Agnostic
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/?title=Atheist_vs._agnostic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism

 

I knew this. That's what I was saying.

 

That's kinda where I was, until I came to the realization that things just didn't materialize on their own. So, I chose the creation solution. Glad I did. Now living a life of joy and satisfaction that comes with being a disciple of Christ.

 

i don't really care about semantics. the point is peoples' belief or disbelief isn't black and white like you are implying. it's not as simple as "god" = believe/disbelieve/don't know. there's a continuous spectrum of level of confidence and view of probability that will vary widely for various specific definitions of what you mean by god, even for individuals. i would certainly claim to have knowledge that yahweh does not exist. i would not make that claim for a deistic creator.

 

If you label yourself an "atheist", then quite literally there is a direct interpretation to what that means. Whether it means the same thing to you isn't relevant, because words to have meaning.

If you're not completely of the belief there is no higher deity, then you're not really an atheist, by definition.

 

No......you don't.

 

It might not happen often, but I certainly know people who were believers who now do not. I was never religious, but I did believe in some sort of god, but now I don't.

 

yawn

 

Logic sucks when you read it. I understand.

 

your view of whether i'm right or not isn't the point.