<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Illosophee @ Oct 22 2006, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Religion did come from some random man who decided to keep everyone in check by making up BS. Think about it:Why would God create so many religions and tell three different men that they are his Prophets for three different religions? Hmm...?Also, people at old times were very easy to trick. Even in the United States during the late 1800s, people were falling for such bullsh** as witchcraft.. (Check out Salem Witch Trials). People were easy to trick.Even in today's time, people are easy to trick. If you go back to the year 1999, people were claiming that 2000 would be the end of the world... Didn't happen, now did it?If you look back over the summer to June 6, 2006 (6/6/6), people claimed that the Devil would come to earth and wreck havoc. Didn't happen, now did it?So, basically, I think everyone on this planet is stupid; depends on whether or not you believe in God, though... Whatever.</span></div>God didnt "create" a religion. Man did, God gave us the guidelines on what to follow and different people translated it into different meaings which came to different religions. Of course there are religions that just came outve nowhere. And you said that "a man" created all this stuff, but how is it that every single group of the world has somewhat a religion even though they are thousands of miles apart from each other? People in '99 thought it was end of the world cause of COMPUTERS, they thought all technology of the world would be shut down, and then SOME people said thats when armagedon will begin. Only teenagers and superficial people believed in the 6/6/06 thing. And the reason people believed in the witchcraft crap is cause those woman we blamed by twisted preists and corrupted churches.
Well obviously most Americans believe in God. They're stupid. They vote Jorge Bush and ruin our country, then re-elect him. They worship idiot celebrities who probably have IQ's lower than my left buttock. They only act impulsively. Of course they'll believe in somebody that can save them and "keep them alive" or whatever in the "afterlife". Once you're dead, you're dead. You rot in the ground.
[quote name='austingriz76' post='182209' date='Oct 22 2006, 11:27 PM']God didnt "create" a religion. Man did,[/quote]<span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Exactly! A man did.</span>[quote name='austingriz76' post='182209' date='Oct 22 2006, 11:27 PM']God gave us the guidelines on what to follow and different people translated it into different meaings which came to different religions. Of course there are religions that just came outve nowhere. And you said that "a man" created all this stuff, but how is it that every single group of the world has somewhat a religion even though they are thousands of miles apart from each other?[/quote]<span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Why did people believe in more than one god (monotheism), such as Greeks and Romans who believed in Zeus and all that other B.S? In other words, people believe in anything and everything. Also, why did God help people create so many different religions? Christianity came from one of God's prophets, Jesus, while Islam came 500 years later from another one of God's prophets, Muhammad. All religions are B.S</span>[quote name='austingriz76' post='182209' date='Oct 22 2006, 11:27 PM']People in '99 thought it was end of the world cause of COMPUTERS, they thought all technology of the world would be shut down, and then SOME people said thats when armagedon will begin.[/quote]<span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Umm... Some people won't even admit that humans made COMPUTERS. They claim it was God's idea.Anyway, if God knows everything that will happen, what was the point of Him creating us?</span>[quote name='austingriz76' post='182209' date='Oct 22 2006, 11:27 PM'] Only teenagers and superficial people believed in the 6/6/06 thing. And the reason people believed in the witchcraft crap is cause those woman we blamed by twisted preists and corrupted churches.[/quote]<span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Yet, those priests were still God's followers. Why didn't God help the women? Oh, that's right.. He doesn't exist!</span> :shok:
The biggest problem I have with religion, especially the near east monotheistic religions(jews, Christians, Muslims) is that very few of their religious text were written during the times in which the events they talk about took place. The Muslims admit that the Quran, and the other book about Muhammed, the name slips my mind right now, but both were written about 50 years after his death. the same thing goes for Christians, most of the new testiment was written well after Jesus's death. then the council of Nicea decides which books should be in the bible, completly excluding many gospels that were written more closly to the time of Jesus. The texts of Judiasm were also written centuries after the fact. They all claim that these text were taken from oral scriptures, but as we all know anything passed on orally can and will change as it goes from one person to another. There is a reason why the courts don't allow hear-say testimony in court, because it is unreliable.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Illosophee @ Oct 23 2006, 08:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Exactly! A man did.</span><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Why did people believe in more than one god (monotheism), such as Greeks and Romans who believed in Zeus and all that other B.S? In other words, people believe in anything and everything. Also, why did God help people create so many different religions? Christianity came from one of God's prophets, Jesus, while Islam came 500 years later from another one of God's prophets, Muhammad. All religions are B.S</span><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Umm... Some people won't even admit that humans made COMPUTERS. They claim it was God's idea.Anyway, if God knows everything that will happen, what was the point of Him creating us?</span><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Yet, those priests were still God's followers. Why didn't God help the women? Oh, that's right.. He doesn't exist!</span> :shok:</div>Man divided their translations of God word into different superficial things called"religion".God only gave us the moral standards and guidelines for the law of all man. The romans and greeks were POLOTHEISTIC, and they lost faith and ended up creating a different and bogus religion. If you knew anything about the monotheistic religions, you would know that muslims believe that there was a Jesus, but he was just a prophet and nothing more. Christians believe he was the messiah and they dont believe in Muhammed. But anybody who truly studies religion will tell you that we are all worshipping the same God, he might have a different name or we might have translated his words differently, but he is the same God. And the people who believe God made computers are idiots...actaully I have never heard of that before.And he didnt create us for his own pleasure(which it seems you think is why), he created us to give us the privilage of life and have a opputunity of life.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And he didnt create us for his own pleasure</div>If God did create humanity, then we are basically his toys. also, not all Greeks and Romans were Polytheistic. some Greeks were monotheistic, and the Romans adopted Christianity as the official state religion in the fouth century AD, and they too had some monotheistic citizens. though both were mainly polytheistic in public, most the the powerful people were atheist. a good book about Roman relgion was written in 79BC by Cassius Nubus(?) if you want more info on the Roman POV in religion.also, since no one has mentioned it. Raelianism is the true religion. Aliens created humans in a bad genetic experiment.
no, we are not his toys cause we get to make our own choices, but he knows what choices we are going to make.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Oct 23 2006, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The biggest problem I have with religion, especially the near east monotheistic religions(jews, Christians, Muslims) is that very few of their religious text were written during the times in which the events they talk about took place. The Muslims admit that the Quran, and the other book about Muhammed, the name slips my mind right now, but both were written about 50 years after his death.</div>About the Muslim thing, that is totally false.First, there is only ONE book for the Muslims - that is the Qur'an. Second, the Qur'an was memorized by Prophet Mohammed himself, and was memorized by his Sahaba (A little like Jesus' disciples) - The Sahaba completed copying the Qur'an a little after the Prophet died, but most of it was completed before he passed away. I don't know where you heard that stuff...but it's totally wrong. (I am Muslim)
There is one official book for Islam, but, the Hadith, or the practices of the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) play a strong role in Islam as well. Considering, if god came to a man who practiced such a life, it may also bless the lives of those who also live that way.The Qur'an was not memorized by Muhammad (PBUH) himself, rather his followers, right after his death, there was a strong movement towards centralizing all of his words, which had been memorized by thousands of people word for word. Thus they began to make sure they got the words exactly right by comparing the words of each other, once they found out that there was little to none variation the Qur'an was completed in physical means, however was technically completed before the death of Muhammad (PBUH).
there is some book written about Muhammed, its like a book of manners. and you said exactly what I was talking about, it was written after his death, and he told someone the story. it doesn't matter if they memorized it or not, they are still humans and humans make errors. Im not sure about this part, but I think Muhammed lived for 50 years after his first vision. 50 years is a long time to remember something.Sira, thats the book I was thinking of.
No, those are the biographies of the Prophet Muhammad, not the actual words of Muhammad. They also don't play a role in Islam either, only as other great text to read.Hadith however is the exact practices of his life, and therefore is not some story book by any means, rather a collection of Muhammad's practices in exact form.The man didn't sit around for 50 years after his first experience with god, rather his experiences gained a backing right off the bat considering how great of a name and respect he had in his area. They written directly after they were revealed to him, and no actual scholar can deny such a fact.
A little psychological statement I have to make here. A lot of you are questioning the existance of God. That is all fine and good, but all of you (if I am correct) have some kind of faith in a higher being. Its the truth.Think Im wrong? Look at the people's comments that are questioning Him. In almost all of them, they capitalize the name "God". Why would you do that if you dont believe in a higher being? To me, religion isnt as important as faith. I sometimes question my religion, but I never question my faith.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Oct 23 2006, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Man divided their translations of God word into different superficial things called"religion".God only gave us the moral standards and guidelines for the law of all man. The romans and greeks were POLOTHEISTIC, and they lost faith and ended up creating a different and bogus religion. If you knew anything about the monotheistic religions, you would know that muslims believe that there was a Jesus, but he was just a prophet and nothing more. Christians believe he was the messiah and they dont believe in Muhammed. But anybody who truly studies religion will tell you that we are all worshipping the same God, he might have a different name or we might have translated his words differently, but he is the same God. And the people who believe God made computers are idiots...actaully I have never heard of that before.And he didnt create us for his own pleasure(which it seems you think is why), he created us to give us the privilage of life and have a opputunity of life.</div>I think you summed it up. very good points.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Becar @ Oct 24 2006, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A little psychological statement I have to make here. A lot of you are questioning the existance of God. That is all fine and good, but all of you (if I am correct) have some kind of faith in a higher being. Its the truth.Think Im wrong? Look at the people's comments that are questioning Him. In almost all of them, they capitalize the name "God". Why would you do that if you dont believe in a higher being? To me, religion isnt as important as faith. I sometimes question my religion, but I never question my faith.</div><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Force of habit.. No other particular reason. "God" is also a proper noun, as in a name. God has his name, which is God. If that is his name, then let it be. It should be capitalized then, I suppose.Anyway, I'd also like to ask something that proves God doesn't exist:WHY DID HE CREATE SUCH A HUGE UNIVERSE IF HE JUST WANTED TO WATCH US?</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Becar @ Oct 24 2006, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A little psychological statement I have to make here. A lot of you are questioning the existance of God. That is all fine and good, but all of you (if I am correct) have some kind of faith in a higher being. Its the truth.Think Im wrong? Look at the people's comments that are questioning Him. In almost all of them, they capitalize the name "God". Why would you do that if you dont believe in a higher being? To me, religion isnt as important as faith. I sometimes question my religion, but I never question my faith.</div>It's partly habit, as Illosophee mentioned, but also because it is more succinct. Saying god implies I believe in more than one god, I would imagine. I don't necessarily believe in any god, but for simplicity, it's easy to say God and everyone understands who I'm talking about. *shrug*
I disagree with Islam, as it was spread by the sword, doesn't believe in iconography and enforces its law upon others, is divided, and has ritualistic like demands to get into paradise. However it isnt close to the worst. Sikhism, Bahai, Buddhism, and Islam are the 4 that come to mind when it comes to being logical.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LBJ @ Oct 25 2006, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I disagree with Islam, as it was spread by the sword, doesn't believe in iconography and enforces its law upon others, is divided, and has ritualistic like demands to get into paradise. However it isnt close to the worst. Sikhism, Bahai, Buddhism, and Islam are the 4 that come to mind when it comes to being logical.</div>LOL....Please show me the proof of how Islam is voilent, and "spread by the sword"....When you do bring your quotes from the Qur'an, make sure you bring the WHOLE chapter, with title and everything...too many times do people quote things out of context just to make Islam look 'evil'. Can't wait.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LBJ @ Oct 25 2006, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I disagree with Islam, as it was spread by the sword, doesn't believe in iconography and enforces its law upon others, is divided, and has ritualistic like demands to get into paradise. However it isnt close to the worst. Sikhism, Bahai, Buddhism, and Islam are the 4 that come to mind when it comes to being logical.</div>You pretty much described every major religion there... But what I don't understand is why you said you disagree with Islam, yet you think it is logical?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Oct 25 2006, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You pretty much described every major religion there... But what I don't understand is why you said you disagree with Islam, yet you think it is logical?</div>Keyword-Major Religion (Big 3)It cracked my top 4. Am I going to quote the quran, no because I dont have major beefs with it. I have problems with people like the Mongols/Mughals who did the first 2 things I said, you know its divided, and you also know of the things that a muslim can do to get into paradise including remembering the 100 names of allah.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LBJ @ Oct 25 2006, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I disagree with Islam, as it was spread by the sword, doesn't believe in iconography and enforces its law upon others, is divided, and has ritualistic like demands to get into paradise. However it isnt close to the worst. Sikhism, Bahai, Buddhism, and Islam are the 4 that come to mind when it comes to being logical.</div><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Such as...?I'm not Muslim, but I used to be one before I opened my eyes and realized that every religion is wrong.</span>
