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  1. blazerboy30

    blazerboy30 Well-Known Member

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    It's still irrelevant. We have a current reality. What Mitt or McCain MIGHT have done is meaningless and just used as a deflection tactic.
     
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    as a Senator, McCain has been fully aware of of this for the 7 years it's reportedly been going on. Despite knowing all along, I haven't heard a peep out of him decrying this...

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    No, only the guy who is in charge has decried the program he has utilized. I'm wondering how much impact all of this info, and the IRS targeting, actually had on those supporting Romney being able to organize for 2012. The overall vote was down from 2008...
     
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    Haha... not only is McCain admitting he's known about this, he's chastising other Senators who're claiming to be upset about this past weeks revelations. Of course he voted for the Patriot Act (2001), voted for extending the Patriot Act's wiretap provision (12/2005), voted for reauthorizing the Patriot Act (3/2006), & voted for extending the Patriot Act's roving wiretaps (2/2011).

    Reality is he helped implement this/make it law, so we don't have to speculate as to whether he'd have used it

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...should-have-known-about-snooping-says-mccain/

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    As is roughly 80% of America. It was "passed" against our wishes, without our consent, without our input, by our political representatives who violated their sworn duty to represent our best interests. Nearly half of the patriot act is still secret, not only unknown to all of us but also unknown to most of congress. They voted it in and later expanded on it without ever being informed exactly what was in it.

    It is illegal, unenforceable, and those who would abet in it's use are traitors to our country.
     
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    Yes they would have.

    Our government has been owned and operated by the 1% since before I was born and it really doesn't matter who is president, they're all just a monkey on a leash serving their master.
     
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    the quote I just relayed from McCain begs to differ

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    McCain isn't in charge. Seems to be deflecting to not deal with the guys who ARE in charge of doing these things right now.
     
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    Congress makes the laws for our country which largely makes them in charge. The Executive Branch enforces/acts on these laws. As McCain is pointing out, Congress set this specific course with their actions and whats happening shouldn't be catching any Congress member paying attention by surprise... he's calling out your boy Rand for Grandstanding again

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    Except Obama decides what he wants to enforce and he leaves it up to congress to bring it to the courts. DOMA, for one. He can promulgate parts of the laws he chooses to, as well.

    McCain isn't the president. He's not, nor did he appoint those in the NSA and FBI who are executing these plans.

    Candidate Obama did run against McCain and said he would review all bits of the laws and not do anything that would encroach on civil liberties.

    You can see him say these things on YouTube. The horse's mouth!
     
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    Ill add that he could have asked congress to repeal the patriot act or those provisions. He signed a 4 year extension with broader powers currently being abused. In May 2011 by auto pen while he was in France.

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    so those who make the laws (and then claim those laws are being properly implemented) aren't in charge... got it!

    The Legislative branch of our Democracy is by far the most powerful

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    asking Congress to do what he wants has got BO what so far???

    U R playing stupid again

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    What does McCain have to do with any of this?

    [video=youtube;_RQvKQGzcoc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RQvKQGzcoc[/video]

    [video=youtube;vqXmQYHV-1I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqXmQYHV-1I[/video]

    [video=youtube;yQrgCjYHofk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQrgCjYHofk[/video]
     
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    you've an amazing ability to confuse anything. I thought I was pretty clear that I'm against the Patriot act no matter who is the President with my initial post saying only "I'm still very much against the Patriot Act". Whats been revealed recently is the results of Patriot Act. I place the blame for it becoming the law of the land (which of course the Executive Branch is charged with enforcing) on those who've repeatedly voted for it... the branch of government that makes laws... Congress.

    it's laughable that some Congress members are denying that they knew this was what was happening when they were the architects of it

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  18. Denny Crane

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    I'm glad we agree about the Patriot Act.

    Senator Obama voted for FISA in 2008.

    You're right, it's laughable.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/06/obama-supports-fisa-legislatio.html

    Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) today announced his support for a sweeping intelligence surveillance law that has been heavily denounced by the liberal activists who have fueled the financial engines of his presidential campaign.

    In his most substantive break with the Democratic Party's base since becoming the presumptive nominee, Obama declared he will support the bill when it comes to a Senate vote, likely next week, despite misgivings about legal provisions for telecommunications corporations that cooperated with the Bush administration's warrantless surveillance program of suspected terrorists.

    In so doing, Obama sought to walk the fine political line between GOP accusations that he is weak on foreign policy -- Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) called passing the legislation a "vital national security matter" -- and alienating his base.

    "Given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay. So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as president, I will carefully monitor the program," Obama said in a statement hours after the House approved the legislation 293-129.

    :lol:
     
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    Look at the shift among Democrats. Republicans less so, as they still favor begin spied upon.
     
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