Require parents who don’t want a child vaccinated to get a science lesson

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  1. Further

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    By the way everyone, this is not my area of expertise, I just got a wild hair up my azz to respond to everyone and turn this subject into some science fiction thriller of a thread.
     
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    I think parents have a choice to eat Taco Bell
     
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    No, but a threesome where you took a break wouldn't be all bad.






    EDIT: Yes
     
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    Rights aren't what your sphincter twitching tells you they are.

    I mean no offense, but your definitions are arbitrary. Like the kings of old. As in, to suit your agenda.

    I don't want any part of it, but you would force your will on me? I wouldn't force my will on you.
     
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    If I were to force my will on you, it would be to save both our lives, especially mine.

    Put it differently, I have a cure in my blood for the terrifying dennyites disease. My blood may be taken without harm to me and be used to cure you. I say I don't wish to give you a cc of my life-giving blood. I would say it is your right in that situation to force me to give up my blood to save your life. I am not physically wronged by the loss of blood any more than the pin prick itself. You, and others in your family who also have Dennyites are cured. It would certainly be a last resort, you would ask first, then beg, then offer to buy, then offer everything you own, but eventually, my NO would stand. What do you do?
     
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    I've never had a flu shot, and I've had the flu one time. It was 1998, and it lasted 2 days. My wife gets a flu shot every year, and has it the flu at least 4 times since I had it.

    The problem with the flu vaccines is that if the incorrect virus is targeted, the shot is useless. Same as if the virus mutates in a given season.
     
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    Culling the herd. Who is mankind to mess with natural controls of human population?
     
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    Put it differently, there exists a cure for GODitis, which requires only money, of which I have enormous amounts. My money may be taken without harm to me and be used to pay to cure you. I say I don't wish to give you a cent of my life-purchasing money. Would you say it is your right in that situation to force me to give up my money to save your life? I am not financially wronged by the loss of money any more than I am by taking the time to say no. You, and others in your family who also have GODitis are cured. It would certainly be a last resort, you would ask first, then beg, then offer to repay, then offer everything you own, but eventually, my NO would stand. What do you do?
     
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    Was just thinking the same thing. Sets a pretty bad precedent, no?
     
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    Why do you say this stupid bullshit? Who in this community has ever advocated, let alone supported, rape??? I'm sure you make good points at times, but it seems like every rant you go on has some sort of bullshit strawman in the first few sentences, which makes the rest unreadable.
     
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    Accusing generic members of this community of supporting rape isn't antagonizing, though.
     
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    So...are you trying to argue that there was some magical change in people's genetics in the late 80's that caused the rates of autism to rise? It wasn't influenced by any environmental factor?

    Or are you trying to argue that this is simply a matter of more diagnosis for autism? Talk to anyone who has worked with children over the last few decades, such as school teachers, and they'll tell you the numbers are an actual reflection of a change in the kids.
     
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    Bravo, I rep you sir.

    The answer is simple, if all the parameters were as you have set forth, I would, without hesitation, force you to give up the money. It sounds cold, it sounds wrong, but I weigh life much heavier than money.

    Jews who are devout and practice full kosher, are permitted to eat pork, or break other kosher laws, if their life depends on it.
     
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    So instead of illness, let's use starvation, and the amount of people throughout the world starving. Should we just start taking by force, starting with those that have the most, to start feeding everyone in the world? You leading that pitchfork mob?
     
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    A recommendation for anyone interested. Neil Degrasse Tyson has a podcast called Startalk where they look at different science issues from a new or approachable perspective. The last two episodes were "Zombie Apocolypse" parts 1 and 2. Zombies were used as analogies for viruses, so the real topic is viruses. I enjoyed part two more, but both were interesting.
    StarTalk Podcast website

    Zombie Apocalypse Part 1

    Zombie Apocalypse Part 2
     
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    I make no bones about it, I was talking about specific criteria. Most importantly, I and My Family were the ones affected. In that case, I would force a lot, be it for a vaccine or food. But I am not society. If you break down the lines of the hypothetical, the answers can change.

    A society has rules. We in society make up the rules. It is for us to determine when and if we should break certain norms, like forced vaccinations. I just draw that mark at a different point than you (I'm assuming). I would also lean on all the information we can amass and all the thinkers we can tap, to find a late, but not too late, moment in the pathogen timeline to interfere in an intrusively aggressive fashion. Hopefully, that moment would be avoidable.
     
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    Did I say anything like that? Your original claim is that it was all caused by vaccines. I merely pointed out by quoting Wikipedia that your claim is not accurate. Now you're claiming some vague "environmental factor". I never said there wasn't a raise. Some of that is from more accurate diagnoses. Sad to say many children with autism were labeled as retarded and locked away.

    My step daughter has a 10 year old severely autistic son. She is also graduating Summa Cum Laude with a Masters in Education this Sunday from Portland State University. (BTW, if you would like you can PM me and I will give you her name and you can watch her graduate this Sunday. It's being broadcast on OPB.) Like I said, her son is severely autistic (meaning he is non-verbal) that diagnosis comes from OHSU. Portland Public Schools wants to label him as intellectual developmental disorder. PPS gets more funding for a student with an intellectual development disorder than they do students labeled as autistic. Either label does not translate to anymore direct services for her son but an intellectual developmental disorder means that person has an IQ below 70 and her son while non-verbal is very bright.

    So to answer your questions:

    Have I talked with anyone who has worked with children? Yes.

    Have I talked with anyone who has worked with autistic children? Almost everyday.

    Do I know about numbers that are an actual reflection of a change in children? Yes.
     
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    Congrats, you and especially her mom must be over the moon with your step daughters honers and graduation.
     
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    Thanks! We are, very proud.

    Her real father can't even be bothered to show up Sunday and he lives in Pendleton.
     
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