I dont know. It depends if he wins a championship without Shaq. He needs someone better then Odom as his "robin".
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PiN0Y Ba11a @ Sep 4 2006, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Will Kobe be top 10 in players NBA history when he retires?</div>Before 2006, he was already Top 12 material. Now he is defintiely Number 10. I believe when he retires he can make the Top 5, or Top 3 if he surpasses Wilt's 100. I don't think he is popular or as good at defense (plus he has less rings) to surpass Jordan or Kareem.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Blaze @ Sep 4 2006, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Before 2006, he was already Top 12 material. Now he is defintiely Number 10. I believe when he retires he can make the Top 5, or Top 3 if he surpasses Wilt's 100. I don't think he is popular or as good at defense (plus he has less rings) to surpass Jordan or Kareem.</div>Basically what I was about to say.
No Doubt he will be top 5!! People dont appreciate what they are seeing witrh him!!! I think with or without more rings he is one of the all time greatest.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clangus @ Sep 4 2006, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No Doubt he will be top 5!! People dont appreciate what they are seeing witrh him!!! I think with or without more rings he is one of the all time greatest.</div>Suggestion: Try not to make every sentence in your post with exclamation points. If you have to, just use one exclamation.
top 10, yes definetly. I don't think he'll be in the top 5 without winning a championship without Shaq and I just don't see him doing that. He might though and if he does i'll put him up there. I don't know about top 3 though. I don't think he's THAT good.
Top 5 of all time? Are you saying he's had a better career than guys like MJ, Magic Johnson, Wilt, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Larry Bird, Oscar Robertson, Bill Russell, etc. Those are just guys off of the top of my head.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Blaze @ Sep 5 2006, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Suggestion: Try not to make every sentence in your post with exclamation points. If you have to, just use one exclamation.</div> The last sentence didn't have an exclamation mark on it!! If i get excited I'm going to put more than one. Question: Haven't you got anything better to do than pick on my punctuation?
If he wins another ring while being the main guy, he's definitely top 5 material. If he continues his career being a 30+ ppg scorer and top notch defender but just bounces around the first and second round, he might be considered borderline top 10.
He is the Top 10 best right now he will be Top 3 - Top 5 best once he retires. He is the best player in NBA right now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Sep 4 2006, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If he wins another ring while being the main guy, he's definitely top 5 material. If he continues his career being a 30+ ppg scorer and top notch defender but just bounces around the first and second round, he might be considered borderline top 10.</div>I agree.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clangus @ Sep 4 2006, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The last sentence didn't have an exclamation mark on it!! If i get excited I'm going to put more than one. Question: Haven't you got anything better to do than pick on my punctuation?</div>I was jus giving a suggestion, you're retarded like many others on this board, so you took offense to that. OK,<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Sep 4 2006, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Top 5 of all time? Are you saying he's had a better career than guys like MJ, Magic Johnson, Wilt, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Larry Bird, Oscar Robertson, Bill Russell, etc. Those are just guys off of the top of my head.</div>2 things Bird did better than was shooting and rebounds. He only won 3 defensive awards. All of them 2nd team. Kobe is the better scorer, defender, and many other things. Bird is better than Kobe at alot of things too, but Kobe actually does the things people notice today, better than Bird, so he would be recognized as better than Bird, now or very soon, esp. after the 81 point game. Oscar was a triple threat but his era was a while back, nowadays he wouldn't be as good scorer as Kobe, and Oscar only has 1 ring.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Blaze @ Sep 5 2006, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you're retarded like many others on this board</div>Yes we're the retarded ones. Why say anything? It's not that big of a deal, and if it was I'm sure an admin will pull me up on it! If you have nothing to say about the topic, then dont post. Hows that for a suggestion?Kobe has had more success, ring wise than Wilt. Why wouldn't he be considered top 5? He has a great scoring average and high scoring games. His defense basically holds together the Lakers at the moment. Top 5 all time NOW, let alone later.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clangus @ Sep 5 2006, 02:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes we're the retarded ones. Why say anything? It's not that big of a deal, and if it was I'm sure an admin will pull me up on it! If you have nothing to say about the topic, then dont post. Hows that for a suggestion?Kobe has had more success, ring wise than Wilt. Why wouldn't he be considered top 5? He has a great scoring average and high scoring games. His defense basically holds together the Lakers at the moment. Top 5 all time NOW, let alone later.</div>One, who the hell are you to tell me to stay on topic? Two, if you can't add more to a disscussion, then don't post. You're not adding to the disscussion because you're repeating exactly what I and others have said.Three, why would I stay on topic? Are you too stupid to see that after the second quote on my post, I was on topic? Yes, I stand on my statement, you're retarded. :happy0144:
If he continues with 30ppg whilst playing good defense and not winning championships he'd be a top 10. If he wins 1-2 rings he's top 5.
He needs to be judged as an individual player. He can't keep taking the blame for things that are out of his hands, it's not fair. He is a great player, I don't think he's done making noise, let's see what else he can do.
