Jeb Bush commits political suicide

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  1. MARIS61

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    Immigrants are more fertile and they love families and they have more intact families and they bring a younger population,” he said, adding that immigrants also create new businesses and are an “engine of economic prosperity.”

    Obviously that would mean Jeb believes...

    American-born Americans are less fertile and they hate families and they have fragmented families and they are an older population,” he said, adding that American-born Americans don't create new businesses and are a “brake on economic prosperity.”

    Lots of luck getting the Republican nomination with that attitude. :biglaugh:

    [video]http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/jeb-bush-immigrants-are-more-fertile-92801.html?ml=tb[/video]
     
  2. mook

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    I don't see anything wrong with what he said. They do tend to have larger, more nuclear families.

    It is surprising to see a prominent Republican who isn't bashing immigrants. But I guess with several year before the next presidential election now is the time for them to start changing course. Good for them.

    Every day that passes sees more of the older generation of Republican voters, who tend to be much less open to immigration, die off. Makes sense to start laying the groundwork for the future.
     
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    Interestingly, I was watching C-SPAN this morning and they had some woman on who was one of the chief statisticians for the census.

    She showed a graph of population growth by race. White people, Maris will be sad to learn, are both getting older on average and there are more deaths than births these days. For immigrants, especially asians and hispanics, the population is younger than whites and they are having far more births than deaths.

    So what did Bush say that was wrong?

    BTW, his wife is Columba Bush, born 1953 in Leon, Guanajuato, Mexico. She's a hispanic, you know.
     
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    Nothing, telling the Truth is political suicide these days I guess
     
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    Bridging the gap with non-whites would be a good idea if that nominee wants to win the real election.
     
  6. MarAzul

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    Well ok, I didn't want another Bush anyway. So far Rand Paul is the only one hold to the straight and narrow enough to get my vote. Rubio has blown it lately. He can't tell when the 4th amendment has been walked on and he is about to sign on to more immigration with the boarders no better than they were in 86. Besides if his immigration bill passes, we will be on track to become a nation of 600 million way before the end of this century.

    When this nation was less than half what it is now, about 150 million, China was known to be way over populated at 600 million people. Why the hell do we need a plan to reach the over populated status?
     
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    He meant to say "anchor babies".
     
  8. Denny Crane

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    Maybe look at Japan, too. They take in few immigrants. Half the people there are 45 or older because they're not having enough children. Or younger immigrants.
     
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    Careful with statistics.

    What we have here are pro-amnesty politicians and media using LEGAL immigrants statistics, and trying paint those positive elements of existing legal immigration to amnesty for illegal immigrants and other significant changes to the proposed immigration law that will fundamentally alter the type of immigrants that would come into the U.S.

    The question is what is the makeup of the illegal immigrants that would be granted amnesty, and what is the makeup of their relatives that would suddenly be granted a fast track to the U.S?

    If you look, you will find a very different group makeup. They most assuredly are NOT a group of dynamic, entrepreneurial, self-sufficient, family-first folks.
     
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    I was curious to see what the numbers were when I read your statement. A quick search showed that net migration numbers from Mexico has fallen to zero, and possibly less than zero.

    The more I think about it, the more it seems like a good time for Republicans to declare victory on immigration, sign a bill that nationalizes the current batch of law-breakers, put new measures in place to prevent it from happening in the future, and put it in their rear-view mirror.
     
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    My wife was once an illegal immigrant. She now owns a business that employs several Americans. Most of the immigrants I run into seem to fit my profile. Although I'll admit that if they make it all the way to Idaho they may have a little more in their tank....
     
  12. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    The US birth rate is actually lower than the replacement level of 2.1 children per female, we are at 2.03 or something like that. (the .1 is to cover infant mortality). Our population is set to grow till 2020 due to population momentum but after that we will be in the decline without immigration. I feel that reasonable immigration reform is a better plan to increase our population, especially when compared to the other plan of building a big wall and forcing unwanted births from our current citizens.
     
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    The graph looks like a graph of employment in the US which has little to do with the security of the border.
     
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    There are all kinds of liars and cheaters and con men who otherwise contribute to society. The thing they have in common with your wife is they enriched their lives through fraud and deceit at the expense of honest, law-abiding people who respect the rights of others. She cheated an admirable person out of their only legimate chance to be a Real American, crushing their dream and possibly destroying his/her life. :tsktsk:
     
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    Wow.
     
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    Am I getting the drift here, MARIS?
     
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    Why would an immigration graph follow the same ups and downs as a graph showing available employment? I can't figure it out.
     
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    You serious?
     
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    I have absolutely no problem revamping the immigration code to allow for people to come here who want to contribute to society. I don't think that a registration is that much to ask for. As stated above, many "industrialized" countries are going to be hurting for workers (and supporters of the old-people safety net) in the next 20 years or so.

    I see it here in Afghanistan. The US (State Dept.) employs many people here--as interpreters, political analysts, etc. Taliban don't like these guys very much, and target them when they go home to their families outside the bases. Some are trying to get immigrant visas to the US, and are being told there's a 9-12 month wait, even if they actually do qualify for one.

    This is for college-educated, fluent-in-English people who have savings, a skillset, etc. and are trying the right/legal way to come to the US to make a life where they probably won't get blown up by an (illegal immigrant into Afghanistan) just for doing their job. And yet the populace in the US seems very much in favor of listening to a vocal minority of people who haven't done it the legal way and want to consolidate the gains of their illegal behavior. I don't get it. :dunno:

    Edit: I saw it in West Seattle, also. The illegal immigrants were often victims of abuse, etc. because they were afraid to go to the police when they were victims of crime--afraid to go to the hospital--afraid to speak out against fraud (being charged 1000/month for a family of 7 to live in an attic). Parents wouldn't go to school functions for their children. Our church was helping out many of them (especially the single-mom families), but they'd have access to a lot more help and a lot less criminal activity if they'd come through the legal way (or if there was a process to register and "legalize" what they'd already done).
     
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