2013 Official NBA Off-season Movement & Rumors (Merged threads)

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  1. OregonHuskerMan

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    Re: 2013 Official NBA Off-season Movement & Rumors

    It's actually harder to score on a more well-rounded team, who tries to get points from more than one source. Anyway, you conveniently ignored how Paul George is in his SECOND year and is already better than Batum. Oh, and that Paul George is a much better defender than Batum. Or did you forget Paul George was 2nd team all nba defense? Has Batum ever made an all defense team? Nope. Took PG 2 years to do it.
     
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    Re: 2013 Official NBA Off-season Movement & Rumors

    Speaking of which; would sign and trade granger and first rounder for batum?
     
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    None of those guys were leaders - maybe they were the "best" on their team, but they certainly weren't leaders and never dominated shit.
    But against my better judgment I opened dialog with you - I don't know why, I can't take anything you say seriously as you're always misinformed and flip flop on everything. You like to argue, but you aren't good at it - always dragging in irrelevant information thinking that it proves a point.
    OregonHuskerMan - I do enjoy debating with you, though we certainly don't agree on Nic.
     
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    Lol dude! Oregonhusker is saying the same as me and you can't take me seriously? Lmao at you man!

    Your man crush on batum is killing your objectivity
     
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  5. OregonHuskerMan

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    Yeah, because George earned that contract. What were Batum's numbers last year? Lets look. 14 4 and 1. Does that look representative of someone who should make 11 mill per year? Nope. Not even close. George had his "big" season BEFORE his new contract. Batum's biggest season was AFTER his new contract and it STILL doesn't compare to PG.

    And Nic is not even close to Granger, Pierce, or George. Seriously, look at the years those players got those contracts (I just posted the numbers for you). Granger and Pierce were ELITE offensive weapons. George is elite defensively and strong offensively in his SECOND year.
     
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    It's harder to score when you take more shots? C'mon now.
    Also, maybe I'm totally off-base on this, but it would seem to be a lot easier to make an all defense team when you're on the best defensive team in the league (that was IND, right?). Sure, George is a great defender and is part of the reason they're top ranked. But he had a terrific system to work in and the best big to funnel guys towards. What system was Nic playing in? Who did he have to funnel players towards?
    And even assuming that George IS better, that doesn't take away from how good Nic is. And as the numbers show, the production is very similar (I never said "better").
    The hypocrisy is that people around here would cream themselves over George but Nic is "garbage".
     
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    Yeah, and I realize my view on Nic isn't widely shared, as I stated it much earlier in the thread.

    I just think after 5 years Nic is what he is and I struggle to see where this team will be able to go with him as second fiddle if/when LMA leaves. Lillard and Batum doesn't do much for me.

    I don't think Nic is a bad player, I can't reiterate it enough. Just his contract and the timing of it couldn't be worse IMO. If we don't get a star in return for LMA (which we won't - very rare is a star for star trade proposed) it puts us with Lillard/Batum/X with Batum being our second best player. Hell, if we could flip LMA into DMC and had DMC/Lillard/Batum, I'd be more than happy as Batum is a great 3/4th option, but as of now, it appears he will be our long term second fiddle...ala Westbrook/Durant, Lebron/Wade, Parker/Duncan, etc. Lillard/Batum doesn't fit that mold. In my eyes, the only way for the Blazers to make it work is to have 3 really, really good players because there is no way we can match the first two duos up there.
     
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    Hey - I'm with ya there! But you can't hold that against Nic, it doesn't detract from what he does do - which is provide a team with above average play in nearly ever facet of the game. He was never meant to be a #1 or #2 option.
    Yes - we NEED to find a #1 (or #2) option. We probably won't get that by trading LMA, but we might. Or we might be able to parlay what we get for LMA into a #1/#2. Nic is by far a better #3 option than LMA is.
    Anyway - I'm outta here. Be back tomorrow!
     
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    I said harder to score with better players around you - which typically equates to less shots, obviously not in this case, as Batum has never been overly aggressive (which is one of my issues with him.)

    I would agree, but George also put on very strong displays of defense throughout the season, which goes deeper than system. I look more at positioning, denial, shots you force players to take, and knowing the scouting report. Personally, I think all-defensive teams are a bit skewed, but I think it is reflective somewhat of the top defensive players. Obviously I have issues that players like Kawhi Leonard, Roy Hibbert weren't mentioned and then the whole the DPOY went to Gasol (which is a joke, IMO) and he was second team.

    True, the production is similar, but I believe George is a far better defender (Nic relies pretty much on his length, not so much scouting report and positioning - which works most of the time for him because he is a damn chimpanzee...but against better players it won't work. I realize he slowed LeBron, but in a playoff series, lebron would've posted Batum up and went to work on him). Also, I can't stress this enough, the numbers are similar in George's second year, not his 5th.

    Would I cream myself over George? Not necessarily - but from what I've seen from him opposed to Batum, I'd be lying to say I wouldn't think the future is significantly brighter, as George has showed he is capable of drastic improvement. If Batum made those kind of jumps, I'd eat as much crow as possible. The issue is, after 5 years, I don't think it'll happen or make a big enough difference for him to become a true 2nd fiddle. and to be completely honest, I think it is partially his mindset. If he strengthened his handle and was more of an asshole, I'm sure he could be a force in this league, but he is too nice and to be honest a little too soft.

    If the Batum that dunked on Gasol and let him know about it came to play every game, this wouldn't even be a conversation.
     
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    While I generally agree with this, I think he's just not a half-court player. He shines on the break or spotting up for three in transition, and stinks in the half court shooting off a screen trying to break a defender down. Resigning him instead of trading him will haunt us.
     
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    I just read Batum is a better option than Aldridge in this thread

    God this forum sucks
     
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    Tell me about it
     
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    Finally somebody else sees this!


    Sent from HCPs Baller-Ass iPhone 5...FAMS!
     
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    Which is a serious issue in the playoffs. Not every team will let us run and gun. I think it was smart not to trade him to the Wolves for their garbage package of D-Will and whatever the fuck else, but I think he should always be available. Just not convinced he can become the player we need him to be after he has failed to do much in his first 5 years. And you can't change his internal wiring to be a scorer/defender
     
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    Better than starting a new thread, right? lol
     
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    Notice how everyone wants a star PF, the supposedly "deepest position" in the league
     
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    Wouldn't mind GS getting in on the Cavs and Bobcats' desperation for a decent PF. Give them Lee for some second/third tier prospects and an expiring vet or two, go balls out in 2014 free agency (Jefferson, Biedrins, Bogut, Rush off the books).
     
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