What do you think about this ranking, is it reasonable ??? Top Small ForwardsThe only thing that bothered me is tracy being no.2 on the list, no disrespect to him but i think he has been underachieving the past few years...........i have no problem putting pierce in second spot.
Not bad, my top 10 would look like this:1) LeBron2) T-Mac3) Pierce4) Carmelo5) Shawn Marion6) Ron Artest7) Richard Jefferson8) Andrei Kirilenko9) Tayshaun prince10) Lamar Odom
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Sep 10 2006, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not bad, my top 10 would look like this:1) LeBron2) T-Mac3) Pierce4) Carmelo5) Ron Artest6) Shawn Marion7) Richard Jefferson8) Andrei Kirilenko9) Tayshaun prince10) Lamar Odom</div>That has to be some sort of misprint. The only thing Tayshaun does better then odom is his defense. Even that part of his game is overrated. The myth with him that he can shut down superstars. Wade and Kobe this season showed how overrated his defense really is.Lamar's defense isn't too shabby, his rotations [quick ones] make sure he isn't a liability on D. He can get some steals and is the 2nd best shotblocker on our team.So again how is Tayshaun better? Lamar is the better scorer, rebounder, passer, playmaker. I really want to know what your reasons are.
From #4-10 is very shaky, and a few of the spots can easily be moved around. I pick Prince over Lamar because his defense is DPOY caliber, he's a really good shooter, and has a ring. But yeah, it could go either way, and if Lamar can show more consistency and not look like a liability at times on the floor he;d be the clear favorite.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Sep 10 2006, 04:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That has to be some sort of misprint. The only thing Tayshaun does better then odom is his defense. Even that part of his game is overrated. The myth with him that he can shut down superstars. Wade and Kobe this season showed how overrated his defense really is.Lamar's defense isn't too shabby, his rotations [quick ones] make sure he isn't a liability on D. He can get some steals and is the 2nd best shotblocker on our team.So again how is Tayshaun better? Lamar is the better scorer, rebounder, passer, playmaker. I really want to know what your reasons are.</div>I think a major reason is inconsistency. Any Laker fan will tell you that Lamar Odom is an All Star on Monday, a role player on Wednesday, and a useless ploy on Friday. However, you pretty much know Tayshaun is going to give you between 8 - 16 Points a night while playing solid defense. That's what seperates them to me; although if Lamar gave a consistent contribution night in and out he'd be right behind Shawn Marion in my eyes
The only thing that bothers me is that T-Mac is second and Peja is number 18. My rankings are:1. Lebron2. Pierce3. T-Mac4. Carmelo5. Artest6. Marion7. Kirilenko8. Jefferson9. Peja10. Odom
Why is Kirilenko so low, Nitro?1. Lebron2. Tmac3. Pierce4. Carmelo5. Marion6. Kirilenko7. Artest8. Lamar Odom9. Richard Jefferson10. Tayshaun PrinceHon Mention: Peja Stojakovic
why not? He is more versatile, great shotblocker, great rebounder, great stealer, he can shoot very well too, on a very high percentage. He can do more things than Ron as a SF, and I would want a great shotblocking SF. That would be awesome.Ron is the better scorer, but if Andrei shot the ball as much as Ron, then he would score even more ppg than him. Ron is also the better defender, but Andrei is a top notch defender himself anyway.
Marion going behind Artest really bothers me. Same goes for Prince ahead of Kirilenko.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>But Kirilenko has never lead his team past the 1st round of the playoffs.</div>If he was injured, he would have (and if his teammates were uninjured, as well). Prince is is no way a leader anyway, and Artest has always played on good teams.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wolverine30 @ Sep 10 2006, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But Kirilenko has never lead his team past the 1st round of the playoffs.</div>Neither has Artest.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Sep 10 2006, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why is Kirilenko so low, Nitro?1. Lebron2. Tmac3. Pierce4. Carmelo5. Marion6. Kirilenko7. Artest8. Lamar Odom9. Richard Jefferson10. Tayshaun PrinceHon Mention: Peja Stojakovic</div>Well, I definately feel Artest is better. Much better scorer, and defensively Artest may have edge. Now you look at how big of an impact Artest is to his teams, with Kings he brough tthem to playoffs, with Pacers ECF, etc... Now you look at injuries, and I gotta give it to Artest.As fir putting RJ over him, that is one of those spots, like Odom and Tayshaun, that can switch on any iven night. RJ is better scorer, has done a lot more in his career, and is a 3rd option while averaging 20/7/4 on 50% to Andrei's numbers as main option. But again, these 2 are very close, as AK-47's all around numbers and game is really incredible.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Sep 10 2006, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, I definately feel Artest is better. Much better scorer, and defensively Artest may have edge. Now you look at how big of an impact Artest is to his teams, with Kings he brough tthem to playoffs, with Pacers ECF, etc... Now you look at injuries, and I gotta give it to Artest.As fir putting RJ over him, that is one of those spots, like Odom and Tayshaun, that can switch on any iven night. RJ is better scorer, has done a lot more in his career, and is a 3rd option while averaging 20/7/4 on 50% to Andrei's numbers as main option. But again, these 2 are very close, as AK-47's all around numbers and game is really incredible.</div>Artest is not the MUCH better scorer. He scores 2 more ppg than Kirilenko, but if Andrei wasnt so unselfish, he would score just as much as him. Plus, Kirilenko is the better rebounder, passer, and shotblocker. He gets 3.2 freaking bpg playing the wing.And youre telling me that you dont think that the Kings would have made the playoffs if they got Kirilenko for Peja? Pfft..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Sep 10 2006, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Artest is not the MUCH better scorer. He scores 2 more ppg than Kirilenko, but if Andrei wasnt so unselfish, he would score just as much as him. Plus, Kirilenko is the better rebounder, passer, and shotblocker. He gets 3.2 freaking bpg playing the wing.And youre telling me that you dont think that the Kings would have made the playoffs if they got Kirilenko for Peja? Pfft..</div>LeBron, Wade and Nash have shown you can still get 20PPG while getting X number of assists. Andrei isn't a big threat for scoring, but Artest is. He was off for whatever reason since joining the Kings, but in '04-'05, for the 16 games he played, he as 25PPG on close to 50% shooting, before he was shopped to Kings was at 20PPG, and in '03-'04 was at 19PPG on very good shooting %. I agree, he is better rebounder and passer (although Artest in Sacramento was averaging just as many assists). And while Kireleinko is better shotblocker, Artest is better at steals, and IMO overall better defense due to his agressive nature and versatility. Only person that I have ever seen that really shutdown LeBron.Yes, I don't think they would have made it. I don't think Kireleinko would have gave them the offensive spark, or agressive defensive spark (a total different mood than previousb years) that Artest gave them.
I think Melo is too high on there even though I like him. I can't really argue with that list too much because there are so many good small forwards. It's a pretty hard position to rank. Like Nitro said, 4-10 can be moved around.
