A lot of two year options and expirings

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  1. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I wonder what direction management is taking. If you skim and look from the outside; it looks like they are preparing for a day that may not included Aldridge. But if you really pay attention; I see it as a two year period and preparing to offer Aldridge a team of contention.

    Let's say next season we make it past the first round. Then the season after, we are at pace to have a top 3 record. The expirings will be handy to find veterans to take us to the next level.

    So I guess it really depends if you are a glass half full or empty guy. I consider myself half full. And it's not full of shit either assholes!!!!!
     
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    I think this is a good observation.

    We seem to be setting the table for either a team with or without LA and a chance to continue to get better. I like the sorter, expiring contracts for our role players as it gives us tremendous flexibility.
     
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    That's what I'm thinking too. It's a good position to have one way or another.
     
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    I think it's just a real smart way to move forward for almost any strategy the team employs. Two years is enough to have bird rights, but not so long that they can't escape a bad contract. Two years fom now depends a lot on what Aldridge tells the team behind closed doors. He decides if he stays or goes, but either choice is easier to optimize with timed contract endings.
     
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    Yep the team isn't hand cuffed to sign atrocious contracts to be relevant. If Aldridge does decide to leave; then we have a blank canvas to move in which ever direction the gm sees fit. If he decides to stay; then you make a conscious decision to keep the players you have or find that one big name to take you to the next level.
     
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    I say we win 3 championships in a row and then sign everyone to lifetime contracts!
     
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    Is 2 years enough to have bird rights? I think it would be early bird not full bird correct? I know it was 3 years for full bird rights in the past.
     
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    I don't know. Maybe the new cba changed it?
     
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    Not sure, Brian will weigh in at some point and set me right. :dunno:
     
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    The NBA is changing.

    If you have a Durant or Lebron... you want them in long term contracts. But if it's role players that are pretty much a dime a dozen, shorter contracts are the way to go. Deals like Matthews got with us are going to be increasingly harder to get.
     
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    2 years is not enough for Bird Rights for players who signed with a new team (like Crabbe, Wright & Watson). For those who were traded, but have 2 years left (Lopez), then it is enough to have, due to the rules for "Full" Bird (below). For rookie contract guys like CJ & Robinson they're still tied to rookie scale and RFA requirements, whether they were traded or not. It would've been different if Robinson had actually been cut and picked up off waivers (like JJ in 2011) but not for trades.
    From Coon's CBA FAQ:
     
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    Another one of the reasons I'm on the "stay away from UFA if you can" bandwagon is that, by definition, you're tied to a max of a 4-year "window". If in 2015 we magically somehow signed LeBron, Derrick Rose and Kevin Durant--they would be under team control for a max of 4 (and most likely with an ETO after 3) years. That's great for winning 3 rings in a row, but building through rookie contracts allows you a measure of continuity (up to 9 years) to get systems in place, get players to buy in, get players used to a city, etc. If it doesn't work out, you can choose not to re-sign them after their rookie deal (or cut them like Babbitt and Nolan) or trade them away.

    It's a matter of opinion, but I'd rather Portland be a franchise like SAS going forward, than a franchise like MIA going forward--even if we could pull it off (which I don't think we can). SAS has continuity of coach, GM, system, home-grown players. MIA has mercenaries who may leave the franchise in the gutter as soon as 2015.

    It's smart to line up cap space if you plan on using it to get assets to make your team better. (It's better to HAVE space than not, all other things being equal).
     
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    How did you get 9 years
     
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    4 year rookie contract, with the sole ability to offer a 5-year deal (or match anyone else's 4-year).

    For instance, Dame will be on a rookie deal from last year until 2015-16. We can offer him an extension in the summer of 2015 (a year before anyone else can even talk to him) to lock him in until 2021. If he says "no", and tries RFA, we can still match anyone else's offer (like Nic). Even if he's adamant about leaving as soon as possible, and just signs the 1 year QO, we have a player for 5 years.

    Compare that to, say, Dorell Wright. Let's say magically he turns into Ray Allen over the next 2 years. We can't stop him from going anywhere he wants, for whatever amount he wants.
     
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    I know you are glass half full but you REALLY think this team makes it out of the 1st round this year, and (without a draft pick or cap space) are a top 3 team the following season? Most around here at their most optomistic would say we finish no better than 6th this year, which makes advancing past the first round VERY difficult. I just don't see us being that good this year and how we'll improve that much the following year is a mystery.
     
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    Well did you know the 6th seed is the one seed that has upset the higher ranked team the most?

    We first need to make the playoffs and with Lillard; I think anything is possible. It maybe hard; but who knows man, it's not like it hasn't happened before.

    I'm still hoping for us to be top 4-5 in the west btw.
     
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    Thanks
     
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    It's a good philosophy to give one's roster cap flexibility.

    Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
     
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    Source?
     
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    http://www.sportingcharts.com/artic...ayoffs-do-lower-seeds-even-have-a-chance.aspx

     
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