LOL! Really Marazul? You're a smart guy, you can't disagree with someone without insulting them? Hell, you could even say, "that is a fucked up opinion you have." Or you could say something like, "if I saw you walking down the street in my neighborhood I would get you to punch me and then I would shoot you!"
Oregon Statute law as provided for by the 10th amendment (even southern states). 161.209 Use of physical force in defense of a person. Except as provided in ORS 161.215 and 161.219, a person is justified in using physical force upon another person for self-defense or to defend a third person from what the person reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force, and the person may use a degree of force which the person reasonably believes to be necessary for the purpose. [1971 c.743 §22]
Good evening Sly, nice to see you perky. It's all good unless I offer to pray for him, heh? Then I feel you are obligated to tell why, and that's usually personal.
So you saw it as Obama saying we should ignore all gang-related violence, but pile on a law-abiding victim who is forced to defend himself while being attacked trying to guard his neighbors from gang violence?
Oregon's laws are trumped by federal law. The 10th applies to things not enumerated in the document, but there are all sorts of powers related to the law, this law. The 13th requires equal protection under the law. States can't make up their own laws to get around it. The fifth requires no Person be deprived of Life, Liberty, or Property without Due Process. Martin was not given due process before his state sanctioned execution. Those are just a couple of monkey wrenches in your theory.
The supreme law of all outweighs any written by man, and that's the law of survival. When threatened the primary goal is to erase the threat. If someone has a problem with that later, at least you'll be alive to hire a lawyer. Someone who physically attacks me or mine, or convincingly threatens to do so, is demanding to be killed.
You can't fracture something that never existed. The "United" States has always been a suggestion, not a fact.
Oh come now! Use some logic, Oregon has a statute allowing the right of self protection (and those you protect), so does Florida. I would imagine every state does. What the hell kind of place would it be that didn't permit the right take action for self defense? Illogical!
The equal protection clause is in the 14th amendment not the 13th. And the self defense statutes apply equally so there is no violation.
Typo. The rest stands. Go read the Frontline link I posted earlier. A poll tax, using your logic, applies equally, right?
They do, which is fine. It's a very different thing to grant broad indemnity or immunity from prosecution. The law you cited must be litigated in court.
The media turned this into a hot racial item from the start. Two men getting into a scuffle, and one pulling a gun to shot the other wouldn't be such a huge, ongoing national storyl. But a "racist" shooting a little black boy with skittles..now you've got a Rodney King level news story. Notice how the media didn't show pictures of the 17 year old Trayvon, but a pic of him much younger. This was to incite more anger. Zimmerman was already convicted in many people's minds from the start, thanks to the media coverage. And how many of those who want to lynch him sat through the hours of evidence, presented in the court of law? If Trayvon was indeed bashing his head against the concrete, then Zimmerman had the right to shoot in self defense. Perhaps what Zimmerman did was unwise, in approaching Trayvon, but Trayvon apparantly escalated it to violence. This is why it's good to avoid fights rather than trying to act like a macho man.
http://news.yahoo.com/rallies-large-small-zimmerman-verdict-231947267.html NEW YORK (AP) — With chants and prayers, sermons and signs, outrage over a jury's decision to clear George Zimmerman in the shooting of an unarmed black teenager poured from street protests and church pulpits Sunday amid calls for federal civil rights charges to be filed in the case. Demonstrations large and small broke out across the country — ranging from a few dozen more than a thousand — in support of the family of Trayvon Martin as protesters decried the not guilty verdict as a miscarriage of justice. The NAACP and protesters called for federal civil rights charges against Zimmerman, who was acquitted Saturday in Martin's February 2012 shooting death, which unleashed a national debate over racial profiling, self-defense and equal justice. The Justice Department said it is looking into the case to determine whether federal prosecutors should file criminal civil rights charges now that Zimmerman has been acquitted in the state case. Meanwhile, President Barack Obama and religious and civil rights leaders urged calm in hopes of ensuring peaceful demonstrations in the wake of a case that became an emotional flash point. In New York City, hundreds of protesters marched into Times Square on Sunday night, zigzagging through Manhattan's streets to avoid police lines. Sign-carrying marchers thronged the busy intersection, chanting "Justice for! Trayvon Martin!" as they made their way from Union Square, blocking traffic for more than an hour before moving on. ." View gallery Nichole Mitchell wipes away tears during the sermon … Nichole Mitchell wipes away tears during the sermon at a youth service at the St. Paul Missionary Ba … In San Francisco and Los Angeles — where an earlier protest was dispersed with beanbag rounds — police closed streets as protesters marched Sunday to condemn Zimmerman's acquittal. Rand Powdrill, 41, of San Leandro, said he came to the San Francisco march with about 400 others to "protest the execution of an innocent black teenager." "If our voices can't be heard, then this is just going to keep going on," he said. Earlier, at Manhattan's Middle Collegiate Church, many congregants wore hooded sweatshirts — the same thing Martin was wearing the night he was shot — in a show of solidarity. Hoodie-clad Jessica Nacinovich said she could only feel disappointment and sadness over the verdict. "I'm sure jurors did what they felt was right in accordance with the law but maybe the law is wrong, maybe society is wrong; there's a lot that needs fixing," she said. ." View gallery Demonstrators converge on Union Square in New York … Demonstrators converge on Union Square in New York Sunday, July 14, 2013 during a protest against th … At a youth service in Sanford, Fla., where the trial was held, teens wearing shirts displaying Martin's picture wiped away tears during a sermon at the St. Paul Missionary Baptist Church. About 200 people turned out for a rally and march in downtown Chicago, saying the verdict was symbolic of lingering racism in the United States. Seventy-three-year-old Maya Miller said the case reminded her of the 1955 slaying of Emmitt Till, a 14-year-old from Chicago who was murdered by a group of white men while visiting Mississippi. Till's killing galvanized the civil rights movement. "Fifty-eight years and nothing's changed," Miller said, pausing to join a chant to "Justice for Trayvon, not one more." Protesters also gathered in Miami, Philadelphia and Washington, D.C along with a host of other cities. In Miami, more than 200 people gathered for a vigil. "You can't justify murder," read one poster. Another read "Don't worry about more riots. Worry about more Zimmermans." ." View gallery Demonstrators march in Union Square Sunday, July 14, … Demonstrators march in Union Square Sunday, July 14, 2013, in New York, during a protest against the … Carol Reitner, 76, of Miami, said she heard about the vigil through an announcement at her church Sunday morning. "I was really devastated. It's really hard to believe that someone can take the life of someone else and walk out of court free," she said. In Philadelphia, about 700 protesters marched from LOVE Park to the Liberty Bell, alternating between chanting Trayvon Martin's name and "No justice, no peace!" "We hope this will begin a movement to end discrimination against young black men," said Johnathan Cooper, one of the protest's organizers. "And also to empower black people and get them involved in the system." Earlier Sunday, hundreds gathered in Union Square in New York City to voice their passions over the verdict, hoisting placards with images of Martin. Some tempered their anger, saying they didn't contest the jury's decision based on the legal issues involved. ." View gallery Tabatha Holley, 19, of Dawson, Ga., chants as demonstrators … Tabatha Holley, 19, of Dawson, Ga., chants as demonstrators march in protest as a police cruiser fol … But "while the verdict may be legal, a system that doesn't take into account what happened is a broken legal system," said Jennifer Lue, 24. Nineteen-year-old Octavia McMahon came from the Bronx to march with her mother and five siblings, carrying signs they made after learning of the verdict. She called the protests an emotional experience. "I'm really happy that so many people showed support because it's not just one person. It's all of us as one." Civil rights leaders, including the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, urged peace in the wake of the verdict. Jackson said the legal system "failed justice," but violence isn't the answer. But not all the protesters heeded those calls in the demonstrations that broke out immediately after the verdict. ." View gallery A BART police vehicle is vandalized during a protest … A BART police vehicle is vandalized during a protest after George Zimmerman was found not guilty in … In Oakland, Calif., some angry demonstrators broke windows, burned U.S. flags and started street fires. Some marchers also vandalized a police squad car and used spray paint to scrawl anti-police graffiti on roads and Alameda County's Davidson courthouse. In Los Angeles, police said a crowd of about 100 protesters surrounded an officer and eventually had to be dispersed by officers firing beanbag rounds.
This isn't the civil rights angle that makes sense. The NAACP is doing all that it can to see justice is actually done. However, this is the approach that has a chance: http://reason.com/24-7/2013/05/31/civil-rights-commission-to-examine-wheth Civil Rights Commission To Examine Whether 'Stand Your Ground' Laws Have Racial Bias May 31, 2013 WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights voted on Friday to launch an investigation into whether "Stand Your Ground" laws around the country have a racial bias. These statutes gained attention after the February 2012 fatal shooting of Travyon Martin, an unarmed African-American teenager. Authorities initially refused to arrest neighborhood watch leader George Zimmerman, who is accused of shooting Martin, citing Florida's Stand Your Ground law. These measures allow individuals to stand their ground and use deadly force in self-defense, with no obligation to first attempt to retreat.
