Nobody hates on BoshOn Artest- Ben Wallace may have started it, but what the hell was he doing laying on the announcing table? He was just asking for beer in the head. Even before that he had to work on his crappy rap CD. Pathetic, do your music in the offseason Ron.I can't think of any now, when I do I'll post.
I guess I don't support any hated on players. But I guess I support Arenas. A ton of people think he is a snobby dickhead, ***hole, but I just think that it is his personality, and nothing else.I also support Lebron, although tons of Pistons and Wizards fans now hate him. People think Wade is better. That isnt true. Lebron might be the best all-around offensive player. He scores at will, he can shoot (most of the time), drive whenever he feels like, and he is also great at getting his teammates involved. People look at Wade's heroics, but Lebron almost beat the Pistons when his team was playing like sh*t, and he was down 0-2 in the series. He almost beat the best team in the League at that point.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wolverine30 @ Sep 13 2006, 05:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Darko MilicicVince CarterChris BoshAndrea Bargnani</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wolverine30 @ Sep 13 2006, 05:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have heard a lot of haters on Bosh</div>King of the one liners strikes again. I have NEVER heard of anyone hating on Bosh, underrating him , yes. But not hating.
Brian Scalabrine: OH WAIT! I dont support him...seriously thoughAntoine Walker: Everyone says he sucks. He doesn't suck. Despite his unorthodox style, hes a pretty damn good ball player, and an even better leader. One of my top 3 all-time favorite Celtics, as I grew up watching the guy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Sep 11 2006, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ben Wallace started the entire thing. if he didn't react on a small foul with less than a minute left in a blowout, NONE of this would've happened. He should've gotten way more than 6 games if Ron Artest got an entire season. and honestly, how would you feel if someone throws a BEER on you from the stands whil you're just sitting there? I probably would've reacted the same way.</div>Sure, he started the thing but all he did was push the guy. The whole thing was over with and then Ron Artest got the beer thrown on him. It had NOTHING to do with what Ben Wallace did. It had more to do with piston fans hating Ron Artest. Sure, if Ben Wallace didnt push Artest nothing would have happenned, but it still isnt his fault that the whole brawl started. It was Ron Artest's temper. I am not saying that I would have reacted differently if a beer got thrown on me, but its not like Ben Wallace ran in to the stands and punched those people...
Ben Wallace didn't start the brawl. He didn't tell the guy to throw the cup at Artest and he didn't tell Artest to run into the stands.
Imagine if it was the Indiana crowd. What if Big Ben was the one hit with a cup of beer? Hmm... There are always some 'what if' questions. However, I believe Big Ben started the whole thing. Instead of being a bi*ch and pushing Ron Ron, he should have accepted the foul, you know? He should have let it slide. Like, "Okay, now I get two freethrows and Ron gets a flagarant foul." Yeah, Big Ben sucks at freethrows, but whatever. I wouldn't have shoved Ron Artest.As a matter of fact, I don't know what I would have done. Maybe the same thing would have happened if I was in Ron Artest or Ben Wallace's place.
The brawl was started by the fan who threw the cup............after the pushing and shoving (which is part of the game) everyone started calming down. You see all this kind of pushing between players, remember the knicks/heat (mourning and LJ)...........but you don't see fans joining in till that night in detroit. It was the fans fault, if he didn't threw that cup then everything would be settled. The fan wasn't playing in the game, it's not like he's the one who got fouled or got pushed.
Well my #1 has gotta be Kobe. He doesn't be selfish to lose the game of course. He needs to lead in that way because he's been put in that situation. Plus the rape case has a ton to do with his being hated... but c'mon, you gotta crack a joke about it unless youre some rigid Kobe-obsessor#2 is Ron Artest, and I have nothing else to say then what was already said.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lakersfoelyfe @ Sep 12 2006, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The brawl was started by the fan who threw the cup............after the pushing and shoving (which is part of the game) everyone started calming down. You see all this kind of pushing between players, remember the knicks/heat (mourning and LJ)...........but you don't see fans joining in till that night in detroit. It was the fans fault, if he didn't threw that cup then everything would be settled. The fan wasn't playing in the game, it's not like he's the one who got fouled or got pushed.</div> Ben Wallace is not to blame for the incident at the Palace, I agree. He pushed Artest when he felt he was being a dink, it happens sometimes during games...hell, in most games if it happens it's never mentioned again. But just because Ron Artest went fricken ballistic they drag Ben Wallace into it like he is the reason for the fan throwing the cup and for Artest attacking fans. They are related because it's a chain but ultimatley you can't blame Wallace for what happened after that incident. Blaming Ben Wallace for that whole incident is just stupid.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RashadzMcCantz @ Sep 12 2006, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, actually you are. I don't see how winning another defensive player of the year award means he's declining. When he stops making the all-star game and doesn't make the all defensive team then you can talk. He sure is a great player now isn't he? Damn, I didn't know averaging 15.1 ppg during the regular season makes you a great player. If putting up fifteen points a game makes you a great player then the Chicago Bulls have Luol Deng,Andres Nocioni,Kirk Hinrich, and Ben Gordon.He sure is a great leader. Especially when he averaged 10 ppg in the Eastern Conference Finals and got hammered by the Miami Heat. 10 ppg when the championship is on the line is leading your team right?It's funny because Nocioni,Gordon,Hinrich,and Deng all averaged more ppg against the Miami Heat so that's what you call your "great leader,great player, and great scorer?" I also loved when he "guaransheeded" a victory and lost. Priceless. You have made me really dislike the Pistons and I had some respect for Richard Hamilton and Chauncey Billups but your jealousy and biased attitude has made me lose all respect for the Pistons.</div>What exactly am I jealous of? I don't think the Bulls have been anywhere close to as far as the Pistons have gotten in the playoffs the past few years, and if you are refering to Ben Wallace, I suppose I am jealous that you have him, but like I said I have moved on. You think stats are everything, Rasheed is one of the most unselfish big men in the league. He is a verbal leader, and can be a scoring leader as well. While 10ppg might be bad against the Heat, he fired his team up every night, and that is as much leadership as scoring is to me.When I say great player I mean that he is all around good at a bunch of things. Defense, Offense, Leadership etc. All of that goes into a great player, not just stats. I am not saying he is in a class with the Tim Duncans or Kevin Garnett's, but he is still a top 10 power forward in the league.You always call me bias. How did I show bias in this? Because I support Rasheed? Because I think he is a great leader? That is not bias, your rebutle and strictly stats based facts are what are bias. Don't tell me I made you dislike Chauncy and Rip, because everyone knows you hate the Pistons, and have been bias against them since day one, and if you think that I am the onyl one that thinks this ask LightsOut and Heatfan, cause you are bias against the Heat too.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pistonfan11 @ Sep 13 2006, 07:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What exactly am I jealous of? I don't think the Bulls have been anywhere close to as far as the Pistons have gotten in the playoffs the past few years, and if you are refering to Ben Wallace, I suppose I am jealous that you have him, but like I said I have moved on. You think stats are everything, Rasheed is one of the most unselfish big men in the league. He is a verbal leader, and can be a scoring leader as well. While 10ppg might be bad against the Heat, he fired his team up every night, and that is as much leadership as scoring is to me.When I say great player I mean that he is all around good at a bunch of things. Defense, Offense, Leadership etc. All of that goes into a great player, not just stats. I am not saying he is in a class with the Tim Duncans or Kevin Garnett's, but he is still a top 10 power forward in the league.You always call me bias. How did I show bias in this? Because I support Rasheed? Because I think he is a great leader? That is not bias, your rebutle and strictly stats based facts are what are bias. Don't tell me I made you dislike Chauncy and Rip, because everyone knows you hate the Pistons, and have been bias against them since day one, and if you think that I am the onyl one that thinks this ask LightsOut and Heatfan, cause you are bias against the Heat too.</div>Rasheed...Defense? :lmao-1: Look man, I'm done debating with you but when the season comes around. I promise you the Chicago Bulls finish with a better record than the Detroit Pistons. You have the worst future in the league and asides from Tayshaun Prince, I don't think you have another player on your roster that will be playing for the Detroit Pistons five years from now. You are on the decline while the Chicago Bulls have finally broken out of their rebuilding process and are now climbing to the top to become one of the best teams in the east. I'm not biased about the Chicago Bulls, I'm not like you, I'll actually admit that the Chicago Bulls won't make the NBA finals and will lose to the Miami Heat to six games in the Eastern Conference Finals. I guess Rasheed wasn't a great verbal leader when it counted because the last time I saw the Detroit Pistons play they flat out sucked and got dominated by the Miami Heat and by LeBron James. Just because you win one championship you all of a sudden think you're a dynasty, I'm sorry but when you win five titles then you can call yourself a dynasty until then you can call yourself a good team..a couple years ago.
