So crandc says Africans can't be Christians? I thought Jewish people is a nationality, not a belief? Talk about double standards! Lmao!
It's OT, but Eastoff, I regard the rise in fundamentalism of any faith as a response to a rapidly changing sometimes incomprehensible world where there seems no way out of troubles, and all are blinders that keep people from actually changing the world. Not surprisingly, the Orthodox are as anti-woman and homphobic as their fundamentalist Christian and Muslim brethren (male noun used purposely). Tanach is part of the Jewish faith and includes the Torah as well as other parts (prophets, writings) of the book. We don't use term "Old Testament" as "old" necessarily implies a "new" which we do not recognize.
Torah comes from the Hebrew word for "law" and refers to the first five books of the Bible: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy—also known as the Pentateuch. The word torah is used also to refer to the scroll of parchment on which the Pentateuch is written. In Orthodox Judaism, the Torah also can refer to the entirety of the law, both in written form (Scripture and other sacred writings) and in oral Tradition. When the Catholics refer to the Old Testament, they are referring to all forty-six books of the Bible written before Christ, including the first five that the Jews call the Torah.
I don't have much of an opinion. They seem about as distant to me as the must seem to other non-Jews. I have no orthodox Jews in my family that I know of. I know we had some that were put to death in Europe, but I don't think there has been any since then.
NOPE... And you seem to jump into the religious threads and point out your "I hate this belief". I completely understand what you are saying. I just think it's a serious double standard. I still don't understand how an atheist can be a Jew, yet they can't be a Christian.
because its a double standard. Everything is not always fair. But being a Christian means they are not Jewish, because Jews do not believe in Jesus as a prophet. That's it. Simple. As far as being Judaism being both religious and culture, that's what it is. In some context it's one, in some it's the other, in some it's both, but in none are Christians also Jews.
Which is why it can't be compatible with atheism. Thanks for clearing that up. And I find it even more confusing that you would use the monotheism law of Judaism to support why one can't be a Christian; but that same law grouping also commands that you must believe in the Hebrew God.
It all depends on who is making the determination. The Orthodox Jew would likely agree with you. But considering that being Jewish is not about belief but about action, then you can not actively believe in God and still be Jewish according to most. There is a difference between not believing in God as that's something that is actively and openly debated in Judaism. I suggest you learn about the Talmud, it's purpose is to question everything always and try and learn and grow. But to believe in something that is defined as n not-jewish, that's different. If you think that's a double standard, fine. But that's how it is. I would say at least 20% of my congregation growing up did not believe in God. Not one of them believed in Jesus.
But you used the orthodox Jew's laws to make Christian Jews incompatible; yet you say it doesn't apply to being an Atheist jew. Who's obtuse?
And let's look at this Talmund, you keep referring to. http://www.adath-shalom.ca/doc_god.htm Seems to me, its pretty clear about God. How does that support "Atheism"?
You seem to think I am claiming some certainty, which I am not. I admit that there is a double standard. I admit that not all Jews see it the same way. But I simply say, most Jews I know would laugh about someone who believes in Christ calling themselves a Jew. But most would not laugh at an atheist calling themselves a Jew. Regardless of the reasons, those who believe in Christ are not considered Jewish by almost anyone except others that believe in Christ.
Well that just supports how back assward they are. And you can say that Jews won't accept Christianity. I already know this. The Jews hunted the converted Jews down and killed them in the new testament. All the apostles were once Jew and they converted.
The Talmud contains the opinions of thousands of rabbis on a variety of subjects, including law, ethics, philosophy, customs, history, theology, lore and many other topics. it's over 6000 pages and is the Oral law. It's focus is debate, not rules.
the new testament is bullshit farce. Jews, not all sects, but the vast majority, are strictly against any proselytizing. People can convert from and too, but that's just it, If they convert to Christianity, they are Christians and not Jews.
And? What does that matter? So now it doesn't apply because its debated? Which one is it GOD? We can't jump into one and pick something that supports your belief, then ignore another. I remember you saying this same thing to many Christians.
